The GM’s actual authority

Your life is the norm in retirement Janet and the community needs to start accepting that people come here to spend most of their time playing and being with family as they should. Committees best figure out how to make things work with less volunteer time given by one person because it's not going to happen, I foresee volunteerism dwindling more with GenX.

The size of the library crowd will turn out no matter what or who's in charge if members are passionately objected to a poor decision. That was nothing new in my opinion. The current board isn't doing anything new either.

 

You have some awesome ideas and have said before that I think you would be great. Tom and Linda as well. We have had issues, but that does not matter. EO however would be a mouth piece for a former board member or two, and that would just keep everything on the same path. Plus I have rarely if ever have seen thoughts or comments, just copy/paste/likes so I really have no clue what EO stands for. That and the fact she will reply to my comments on ND but has me muted so I can't see them LOL! Transparency at its best! Just what this place needs, more secrecy.

I hope you don't get the same backlash I did (highly doubtful you will) when saying I wanted to enjoy retirement rather that work/volunteer. 2 sisters and a brother in law dying in an eight month period has a tendency to alter perspective on what is important in life, and SC is not one of them.

Enjoy those grands!

 

Actually, I believe there will be 5 positions to fill:

Kat
Karen
Anita (only has a one year term)
And the 2 who were just appointed.

Gonna be tough year?

 

Both Kat and Karen are termed out. They cannot run again.

 

I think Karen being termed out is BS and this is one item, among several that needs to be changed in the Articles of Incorporation.

She served for 6 months out of a 3 year term. There needs to be some sort of limit set. Heck, even the President of the United States can serve for 10 years because anything less than 2 years doesn't count!

And they need a provision where, okay, you can't serve 2 consecutive years but you should be able to serve again after a certain period of time away!

The "6 years total" is a lifetime ban!

 

Does that apply to appointing previous directors who are maxed out, too?

 

And that's where the bylaws are in conflict with the Articles of Incorporation.

The Articles put a flat out limit of 6 years total as a board of directors and the bylaws cannot deactivate or override that limit.

Either the bylaws need to be amended or the Articles of Incorporation. The bylaws can't stand in their current ruling.

If you read the bylaws, there nothing preventing the same person from being appointed every time there's a vacancy on the board

 

That’s what I thought…lifetime 6 years should apply in all circumstances.

 

And this is what happens when you do things piece-meal rather than comprehensively.

You can't just amend a bylaw without first looking at your Articles of Incorporation. Just like you can't write your Articles of Incorporation without first checking your State Statutes.

 

Quite frankly I would not want Tom on the Board as I believe he not possess the necessary knowledge to serve. I find him myopic when comes to Budget & Finance, Insurance, Investments, view of the big picture, Law, I’ll give him the entire construction process until he convinces me he knows more than a few buzz words, he owns a Robert’s Rules of Order but is not a certified parliamentarian. Not exactly an impressive resume.

 

I have no inclination to serve on the board but if I did, I would not quit before my term was up like you did!

Gee! David Weiland Esquire. I didn't know that as well as being a Historian, and and expert on finance, you were also a law professor!

I know where my strengths and weakness are and I stay within those guidelines. Besides, if I was on the board I wouldn't be allow to criticize them the way I do!

 

Thanks, Emily. I have some ideas about how snowbirds might be incorporated in to the Board and plan to bring the idea forward to be explored. During my time on the Finance Committee (about a year) major changes have been made in financial oversight and budget development, and soon the members will see a totally new budget planning model, including a long overdue 5 year plan. This one single Committee has been able to make a major turnaround.

Like Janet, I also felt I could be of service as a member of the SC Foundation Board but my experience and ideas were also not welcome. At this time, my volunteer time can best be spent on the Finance Committee and helping to promote good governance practices. I will continue, however, to explore how to incorporate snowbird Board service, realizing there are current limitation.

On a personal note, my grands are pretty much grown - youngest graduates hs next May, but it's the youngest great grandson (almost 3) that tugs at my heartstrings that still gets me back to the Midwest. But remote works for my Committee work. ! It's important for me to stay engaged...it's in my DNA.

 

Emily, thank you for including me in your suggested stable of potential candidates for the 2025 RCSC Board of Directors.

I appreciate your confidence and hope you understand I respectfully decline.

I offer no explanation for my reasons on this thread as the others have provided.

Embracing civility

Thanks

 

Law professor? No but I play one on TV. Mr Hart! Mr Hart ! Also spell my last name correctly as I do get testy about that.

 

Obviously there is some bad blood between a few of the members here. I wish we could stick to the topic at hand - Is Karen termed out.

 

In my opinion Karen is “termed out” based on the below and I will explain why. The same would be true for me if I were reelected to a three-year term. After that I would be termed out. It does not matter how long you actually served on the Board as the term limit is based on what you were elected to serve. The difficulty here is Karen is also chairman of the election committee, so we have the fox guarding the hen house, so to speak.

Set forth below is the operative language:


Articles of Incorporation

A Member/Director may be elected to a maximum of two (2) three-year terms, six (6) years total, on the Board of Directors. (Approved by the membership on Nov. 20, 2003)

Article V - Bylaws

SECTION 4: LENGTH OF TERMS AND VACANCIES

The term of office for an elected Board of Director shall be three (3) years. At the annual election, three (3) Board of Directors shall be elected for three (3) year terms. One, two or three-year elected terms enter into the six (6) year limit set forth in the Articles.


As can be seen from the bold face language above, the maximum number of elected terms is six years. Depending upon the circumstances, a director is elected for a term of one, two or three years. The total number of years in the term the director is elected for determines when the six year is reached. Thankfully, the Articles can be changed if 10% of the members signa petition to change them and a majority of members present at the meeting called by the petition vote in favor of changing the articles.

 

FYI ( or whatever your real name is) please see below. I agree a termed out director can be appointed (not elected) to fill a vacant spot until the end of the year. This is what we did when Denny Nichols was appointed to serve on the Board.

 

Karen is termed out. Have a quote from her admitting she is termed out.

Not bad blood, we just run with different hers. He has one skill set and I have mine, of which you are fully aware.

The joint LRP/Budget &Finance meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday the 17th from 2:30-5 at the Great Senoran Room wherever that is located. My guess is Oakmont. This should be interesting.

 

Linda, Just an FYI when I brought up the topic of snowbirds serving on the Board I got an opinion from the lawyer saying it, was in effect, not a violation of their rights as members to exclude them. I am in favor of changing that as well since there is so much talent in the snowbird population.

 

John, FYI is Tom Marone, at least I spelled his name correctly.