Online Abuse is Real

You want answers. I don't have any. I have opinions, thoughts but no answers. If you do you are a much better person than anyone else on the planet. I will not argue things that happened 150, 100, 75, 20 or even 5 years ago. To quote Hillary "what difference at this point does it make?" It was my argument with Pearson constantly looking back to 1960 regarding Sun City. The past is gone and will never be back. Good things happened, bad things happened.

Your love of history is admirable. My passions are elsewhere. Doesn't make me bad or good, just different from you. I see where this is heading and don't care to go there.

Many blessings! Enjoy life!

 

And where is that? I try to make it clear that everything I post is my opinion. I am not looking for an argument, just your opinion.

 

Absolutely hysterically insulting. You are looking for an argument. You could not care less about my opinion. You called me an animal, remember? If the cap fits? Just let it go, I am. Filling out police reports is not fun, don't want to have to do it again.

Do not answer me, do not address me on this platform. Again, Many blessings! Enjoy life!

 

Sorry, you can’t tell when and to whom I can respond. That statement was for everybody who has the right wing view, Heritage Foundation, Hillsdale college view of history. It does a great disservice to the population in general and to our young people. Many have a copy of the Constitution but how many have actually read it? Separation of church and state is in there as is why you have no right to own a gun along with early 1920’s history. Scalia, Clarence “Slappy” Thomas along with the Slappettes on the Court are not Originalists, they are frauds.

CT, might have some interesting history on Vikings in early Middle Ages. Be back to you.

 

I have discovered that when folks say "End of conversation" it is really a form of surrender. The "animal" thing is a metaphor, {"a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable:", not literally applicable being the key part) but I realize that if I'd said that we were as different as apples and oranges I would have been accused of calling someone a fruit. Yes, I can dig up some viking stuff, like to discovery of the New World.

 

This is too rich to pass up!

So I guess Dave, being on the Left, is a believer in the 1619 Project of how America was built?

Actually those words do not exist in the Constitution. The meaning is merely states the federal government cannot dictate which religion we all must belong to, unlike when the United Kingdom wouldn't consider you a citizen unless you were Protestant!

I thought you said you read the Constitution? Did you miss the second amendment?

 

I was instructed not to respond/mention/initiate a conversation with a person on this or any platform unless I was addressed. I could then ask/tell that person not to address or make any reference to me. I did not and I did.

 

Somehow you will be wrong.

 

Well, he said he was responding to people with Right Wing views, so here I am, a proud MAGA American!

I have absolutely no doubt about that!

 

No, just me. I can post, just not to one person. everyone can post to whoever, whenever.

 

CT, watch out for her as she might make fake calls to MCSO reporting you as she feels some how threatened.

Actually, I believe the 1619 Project more than the Hillsdale 1776 Project which is crap, especially if you see David Barton’s name. He is a fraud. That project was never peer review because Hillsdale was worried about real historians like Michael Beschloss, John Meacham, David Blight, Douglas Brinkley, Gary Gallagher, Rick Wilkinson, David McCullough (read his book 1776 and learn something before you go around waving those stupid flags that mean nothing to you yutzes). Since you like to read, Try An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution by Charles and Mary Beard, basic college freshman level U S History survey reading.

Actually try Article VI, clause 3 and not the Establishment Clause. I thought you read the Constitution.

In re: guns, Article I, clauses 12, 14, 16 and the Second Amendment. Militias fought in every war from the Revolutionary through WWI. In the early 1920’s Congress passed a law eliminating militias and created the National Guard. QED the language of the Second Amendment is no longer applicable and we can legally get rid of guns. Do you really need an assault rifle to go hunting?

I am a proud AntiFascist, Constitution loving former Protestant turned atheist. I find MAGA people the Brown Shirts of the Trump cult. Have a positive day.

 

Wrong my friend! No law can supersede the Constitution and that's why people still own guns and we still have a 2nd Amendment!

Besides, the reason we have the second amendment is because the Founders understood how governments often became heavy-handed. And after living under King George's laws, many people were very hesitant to institute a new form of government. The Founders wanted to make sure that We the People had a way to fight back, if necessary, to overturn a tyrannical government.

Read Tocquelville's Democracy in America an see why American democracy was so much different from Europe and the old ways of Monarchs and Kings and why America became so great in such a short amount of time.

Or read Vattels, Law of Nations. A document used by the Founders that established International laws. In fact, you can find reference to the Law of Nations in Article I, Section 8.

Good luck with the Atheist thing. It's a no wonder why you're such a Leftest. Our Constitution references GOD 4 times, so I guess you have no use for the Constitution either?

 

FYI, first, I forgot to mention Article II Section II where militias are mentioned again. I take issue with the Second Amendment is there as a check against tyranny by the government. Actually the Founders did not like standing armies as a result of pre Revolutionary War British occupation of the colonies, think Boston. The Second Amendment is closely tied with the Third regarding the quartering of soldiers in private residences, again think Boston. In that instance England sent so many troops there was lack of space in the barracks for them. Article I, Section 8 states that armies only exist for two years as appropriated. You will also note that the Founders had no problem with a navy as it really was the 400 Lb gorilla of the time. By the way, the Declaration of Independence is not part of our jurisprudence.

I will concede that Jefferson talked about a revolution every 20 years or so, he was talking about voting and changing representation to prevent fossils like Mitch McConnell hanging on forever. Jefferson had seen enough bloodshed in his life that he would not be asking for more.

I have not heard of the book Law of Nations and found no direct reference to it in your citation. While I might concede that the Founders might have read this book as they probably did Wealth of Nations, the Founders did incorporate historical law into our system of jurisprudence, i.e., Roman law (Justinian), English Common Law so therefore references to International Law were the accepted practices of the time. Some, while contained in the Constitution, are no longer practiced. An example is Article I, Clause 11.

While I agree with the premise In Democracy in America, any real use for the monarchy died as a result of The Great War. Read The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchtmann. She is very readable and this book portents the slaughter of the War.

I read this morning the Constitution, as Mom used to say “for the umpteenth time,” and found no reference to god let alone four times. Sounds like MAGA kool aid crapola to keep pushing Christian Nationalism BS. The Massachusetts Bay colony in 1650 called, they want their theocracy back. Sorry dude, you are the people that the Founders warned us about. On the other hand, if you can provide precise citations on this god thing, I’ll take a look. At least I don’t go around trying to covert people to believe in something that doesn’t exist.

Are you saying all people on the Left are atheists or all atheists are on the Left?

The Constitution is my patriotism and represents my country. I always think of the quote by Thucydides, “We do not copy our from of government from others, rather we are an example to others.” That is from his funeral oration in 430 BC.

Have fun laying siege to democracy.

 

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This is too rich to pass up!

So I guess Dave, being on the Left, is a believer in the 1619 Project of how America was built?

Actually those words do not exist in the Constitution. The meaning is merely states the federal government cannot dictate which religion we all must belong to, unlike when the United Kingdom wouldn't consider you a citizen unless you were Protestant!

I thought you said you read the Constitution? Did you miss the second amendment?

Somehow you will be wrong.

Ruh Roh! Tom Not sure about you but I can own a gun and won't give it up just because some people misinterpret the 2nd Amendment. That would be a great debate to see with the NRA.

 

Could you please send where these 4 references are?

 

De Tocqueville was also very concerned about the materialism, individualism and anti-intellectualism that he found in American culture. It is easy to see where those trends went in the ensuing couple of centuries.

 

HH, What words are not in the Constitution? What are you talking about? Are you talking about the First Amendment or Article VI, Clause 3? The former allows you to worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster with no repercussions, the latter, are you saying that you must practice a religion to qualify for office? I don’t think so.

FYI, still waiting for the four mentions of god in the Constitution you said are there. Maybe should contact the Blood Gushing Orange Ear as I believe he has a department of making crap up.

 

Dave please learn how to use this site. I was not addressing you. This is the 2nd time I have asked nicely that you do not speak to me. Just stop. All I have to do is call MSCO with the case number. The Sergeant did not think your statement was funny.

 

So what we seem to have here is, “here I am, a proud MAGA American!” followed by “ Our Constitution references GOD 4 times” followed by . . . …… a deafening silence. This is why drug dealers, at least the good ones, will tell you, “Don’t use your own product.” And please, this is another metaphor, I am NOT calling any one here a drug dealer.

 

You're right carptrash and Dave. My bad. I meant to refer to the Declaration of Independence as having 4 references to God.!

Here's an article from January 8, 2015:
George Washington is off the hook. This week, after more than 200 years, authorities at the New York Society Library finally got their hands back on the copy of The Law of Nations by Emmerich de Vattel, which the nation's first president checked out but never returned.

Oct. 5, 1789: Five months after George Washington takes the oath of office at Federal Hall on Wall Street, the new president checks out two books from the New York Society Library. The library was located in the same building as the president's office, in what was then the nation's capital. In a ledger, next to the names of the books — The Law of Nations by Emmerich de Vattel and Vol. 12 of the Commons Debates, containing transcripts from Britain's House of Commons — the librarian writes, "President."

I believe Thomas Jefferson had two copies sent over from France prior to writing the Constitution and he gave one to Benjamin Franklin.

It's referenced in Article 1, Section 8:10. Note "Law of Nations" is capitalized as it is referencing the legal treatise on international law by Vattel.

"To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations"

No! I'm saying that you are probably an atheist because you are on the Left!

What doesn't exist is the great economy the Left keeps espousing or a secured border or energy independence over the last 3 1/2 years.

I don't care if you hate Trump, but there's no way you can't deny how much better things were under his tenure and policies. That's just being intellectually dishonest.

How's that Bidenomic's working out for you?