Lawsuit Update - After Members Meeting

That’s really the bottom line isn’t it Janet? :Those not sitting at the table.” As i recall, there was an enormous amount of work and effort put into the project and then a couple of board members with their own special interests at heart shut it down.

It’s exactly what happens when committees aren’t respected or appreciated. That was seldom the case before 2006 and then it became the norm. We can all pretend it was because board members had some special insight, but realistically committee’s tended to take a broader community based look while the board/GM was more about the organization, or worse, protecting their own self-interests,

Which is exactly why i have written so often we had the nearly perfectly written, community based documents. The Articles of Incorporation short and sweet, the Bylaws half the size they currently are and everything else in board policies or rules and regulations. Dare i say, sweeter, more simple times.

The argument used was it was done to save and protect the community; the reality is it was used to wrest control and contain all authority in the hands of a few. Had the board been willing to actually do the oversight, it might have worked, Sadly, it didn’t and now we are trying to claw our way back.

 

Exactly! It's my belief that many items currently in the bylaws simply don't need to be there, while there are other things that should be.

I believe the 2008 bylaws were only 15 pages. What has changed to cause the current bylaws to have grown to 30? And at one point they were up to 36!

 

If you remember my biggest issue revolved around proxies. I had to accept them as they were in the Articles. The real problem was people ignorant about proxies and how they work. I venture to say that a large majority of residents do not understand what they are, how they work, the two types and the ability to cancel your proxy if you have a change of heart. I also worried about people collecting proxies being less than truthful when requesting a member signing a proxy they didn’t totally understand. I had to relent as there was no real solution that would satisfy both sides, a tactical retreat if you will to fight another day.

 

No, Dave, you are not on the same level as Mr. Fast or any other attorney who completed three years of law school. You may have experience in some legal situations but that doesn't make you an expert on the entirety of the legal professions. That is like a Certified Nurse, who administers medications, saying she is on the same level as a pharmacist.

I no longer keep a teaching certificate (called licensure in some states) but I don't know of any paraprofessional that would say they are on the same level as someone with a Master's Degree and many years of experience, even if the para has a degree. At least none of the wonderful paras that I worked with over the years.

Sorry, your story doesn't convince me.

 

Enough of this BS about John and being an attorney!!

“Yes. Inactive status actually has nothing to do with one's title. A person who is licensed to practice law can be called an "attorney at law". Inactive members have chosen this status voluntarily and may transfer to active at any time upon request.”

John never said Attorney at Law”, so his title as an Attorney is valid. I, for one, am sick to death of the bantering between everyone on this thread. Trying to get into the semantics of John’s J.D., and actually questioning the validity of such, makes me extremely angry, Dave. You claim to know what you know, and a simple search on the internet on several sites states, in multiple locations, a statement similar to the one posted what John stated was the truth.
I would be most appreciative of the subject being dropped and not returned for discussion again. The name calling and bickering needs to please stop. This is a site for the benefit of Sun City, not for demeaning fellow posters ever, no matter who you are. This post reflects my opinion only.

 

Just my opinion, but you are as guilty as anyone on this site, and I have the posts to prove it. If someone is spreading rumors, they should be called out.

 

To be continued.