A speaker at the exchange opined that Sun Dial is not an appropriate venue for community theater. However, it is an appropriate venue for all other performing arts groups and live entertainment. More than 90% of community theater performed by other 55+ communities is performed in an auditorium much like Sun Dial. This got me wondering what is wrong with Sun Dial and can it be fixed? I know scheduling is an issue but that could be solved if Mountainview were multipurpose facility. But alas, no one can tell me why Sun Dial cannot be used to host multiple performances of three plays? It just makes no sense to me. Can you help me understand?
Sounds like someone wants to whine about how they need a multi million dollar theater? Because unless 20 million dollars is spent, the local theater group will get grumpy? Or having to share the stage and its allocated time will be inconvenient? I think it’s the $20 million dollar thing. Final answer.
Sorry to say but, it's the "all about me" crowd instead of the "community." That lady didn't even belong to the Players, and it's not like they really need a brand new facility. They're a Club for heavens sake! If Sun Dial is good enough for all the other entertainer's, who are after all actual professionals, why isn't it good enough for a Club? It would be a true violation of the Boards fiduciary responsiblity if they were to spend millions of dollars to build a facility that would only duplicate what's already available at Sun Dial for less than half the cost. The only thing Sun Dial is missing is comfortable tiered seating which can be had for much less than a brand new building.
I know the MV redo has been hashed and rehashed for far too long. What I want to know is when are some of the drafts coming through for the board to choose which ideation the remodel takes on? Which board is going to make the choices? Current members or future members? Could some of the future members of the board remove the theater from the plan, in favor of a multi purpose room? That would make much more sense fiscally. Just musings from my recliner.
November Mountain View Update Presented at Exchange 11/10/2026 • https://cms.suncityaz.org/media/rl3ne5rc/rcsc-mountain-view-november-update.pdf Bookmark MOUNTAIN VIEW PROJECT for RCSC web access to past and current documents. Anything new will post here as well. • https://suncityaz.org/generic/mountain-view-recreation-center-project/ Watch the presentation, member comments and board response throughout the Exchange.
FYI, Members are welcome and encouraged to contact the board with: Ideation is the creative process of generating and developing new ideas, concepts, or solutions. BoardofDirectors@suncityaz.org
Luke 14:28: "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?" Is this Board even thinking logically? Or are they simply interested in building a monument to themselves? Good job Board! Pat yourselves on your back, while the Members end up picking-up the pieces with their assessments! Damn the torpedo's, full speed ahead! So....when you budgeted $28 million dollars for a project that is now coming in at $40+ million dollars, it has to make you wonder why the Board is even considering a brand new PAC, (duplicating everything that already exists at Sun Dial) and then making us believe that they are fiduciarily responsible!
After watching the recent exchange video I will say I was impressed with the comments from lrp committee member Dennis Christ. He brought up the cost of maintaining 8 golf courses in the future largely due to water costs. I was not so impressed with the responses of some board members. In particular the comment about the exchange being the wrong place to discuss the issue. Really! What better place to discuss the millions of dollars to be spent on golf? As a matter of opinion I believe golf water issues should be discussed every month. Members need to know exactly how and why this much money is needed , or should I say wanted. The golf contingent on the board should provide all the members updates and information related to these expenditures. Now is the time! ( imho )
Tom, You are so correct in your assessment. Golf is the white elephant in the room that no one wants to address. It needs to be discussed and assessed, as the cost of water is going to go up outrageously high, and its coming fast. Addressing the golf courses and their cost and impact to the entire membership needs to be brought to the forefront on a regular basis. Start seeking answers now because Armegeddon is coming with this water issue.
IMHO the "Mountainview debate" has never been about what is best for Sun City. Logically, the first fiscally responsible question anyone should ask with respect to facility improvements is what the measurable benefit to the membership is? The answer to this question provides the "size of the prize." How big of a current and future benefit do the decision makers think will be obtained by making the improvement. Admittedly, benefits are sometimes hard to measure and easy to overstate. Nevertheless, it is important to get collect and analyze data and get broad input to try and determine the number of "member activity hours" that will likely be maintained or increased by the improvement. Trends are also an important factor in this stage of analysis. The next fiscally responsible step in the process, assuming the size of the prize is big enough" to warrant further analysis, is to identify and evaluate the available options for meeting some or all of the needs identified. Some of the options to consider are building new, remodeling or adapting existing facilities and schedules to meet some or all of the identified needs. The goal here is to compare the cost of each alternative with the benefits that the alternative "promises" to provide. Again, this is no easy task and subject to manipulation if objective analysis is not maintained. The end product of the analysis is a broadly communicated recommendation with the data-based pros and cons for each alternative clearly spelled out in plain English. Do you think the Mountainview process followed such a process or a similar one? For me, I am still struggling with the question of whether the "size of the prize" (a new special purpose theater complex primarily for the Players club") warrants such a large expenditure.
