Change the Corporation back

Discussion in 'Sun City General Discussions' started by CMartinez, Nov 8, 2025.

  1. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    Was doing some research on the tax exempt status or the RCSC. One of the many items that occurred when the former GM was trying to ensure Ann Stewart would not prevail, was to rewrite the bylaws and amend the AOC to meet the new definition she had just created for the RCSC allowing for creation of a classification for those that would promote a social welfare organization. In rewriting all of these documents and changing the quorum with the amendments, the lawsuit filed by Ann Stewart was now without merit due to the change if the corporate purpose as outlined within the new tax code. By removing the RCSC from being just a nonprofit that served the residents of Sun City, the 501c3, the new status afforded protections from being forced into a legal debate between the merits of Sun City, Title 10 and a planned community under Title 33. Those simple words changed the dynamic of the corporation. There would have been a need to rewrite the bylaws to meet the new tax code as well as amend the AOC to match the new bylaws. And she did.
    My biggest qualm with a 501c4 versus a c3 is the ability to give political contributions as a 501c4. Now why would a nonprofit be making political contributions to anyone or anything? More over, who monitors these contributions? Do these contributions match my political desires and if not, how do I get my money back from such contributions? With the increasing costs to the members to cover the costs within the RCSC structure, how much money is going to political activity?
    The way to change this is to return to being a 501c3. No political contributions allowed, expanded access to government grants, and still able to receive tax deductible donations. Yes, the AOC would need to be redone, perhaps to reflect the original documents written all those years before.
    And yes, the bylaws would need to be rewritten, allowing for members to have a more inclusive role in the corporation.
    SCR asked what can anyone do to help with the current situation, most everything being run by attorneys. Here is a possible and plausible solution. No, I am not obsessed with self governance, I am obsessed with what can be done to make this right. Just my opinion.
     
  2. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    I question this comment for two reasons, first she, the GM, has no authority to amend the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws, and second, I would like to see the Minutes of the Membership Meeting where those Articles were amended because the Board, alone, cannot amend them. They can only be amended by the Members.
     
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  3. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    FYI

    I may have overstepped on the AOC. I know she rewrote the bylaws to the point that they more closely resemble the rewritten bylaws. She did increase the quorum. Her actions were swift and conclusive.
    The 5013C has greater opportunities for grants and other money to be awarded for projects here in the community. It also removes an option of giving money to political campaigns. The 4C allows this. I want to know what contribution is being to what political organization and if it comes from money collected from assessments. Can I demand a refund if the donation is going somewhere I don’t approve of?
    It’s a stretch, but it is also a way to recapture the corporation as it was.
    She amended the bylaws with the approval of the then sitting board. Bill and I watched these actions happen and could do nothing to stop it. They gave her the rubber stamp of approval to everything she did.
     
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  4. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    BPearson - perhaps you can help here. Was the RCSC ever a 501c3?

    If so, where are the documents supporting that claim.

    An internet search says the RCSC was never a 501c3.
    Supporting documents please.

    Seems just like the official number of rooftops in Sun City. a guesstimate of 33,000+

    How many current residents are grandfathered into the old single person assessment rate?
    Care to guess? I'd be willing to bet that you won't get an actual accurate count from
    either management or the board.
    In any event, if grandfathering is working for single seniors now, why cannot grandfathering
    work for new residents with 2 names on the deed? That's exactly why we have computers.

    Do you trust the body counts at BOD meetings and other meetings at Sundial that are
    counted by old fashioned hand held clickers. Technology at its finest.

    As everyone like to state, just my opinion.
     
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  5. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

     
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  6. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    Per the IRS reports site


    CENTERS OF SUN CITY SUN
    EIN: 51-0191214 | Sun City, Arizona, United States
    Auto-Revocation List
    Organizations whose federal tax exempt status was automatically revoked for not filing a Form 990-series return or notice for three consecutive years. Important note: Just because an organization appears on this list, it does not mean the organization is currently revoked, as they may have been reinstated.

    Exemption Type: 501(c)(7)

    Exemption Reinstatement Date:

    Revocation Date: 05-15-2010

    Revocation Posting Date: 06-09-2011

    This was found on the IRS website. It notes c7 status. I may have made a mistake on which exemption was previously held, as it’s been a long time and memory for this type of information is short. I apologize for misquoting exemption status, but a different exemption status was held many years ago. The tax forms are not appearing to verify, too old and the government is shut down.
    Sorry
     
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  7. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    SCR,
    Due to the government shutdown, the irs.gov is not working properly. It drops access, forgets the request sought, and doesn’t display tax forms the way it should.
    The copy above is a revocation letter issued for noncompliance. I feel quite confident everything worked out but the documents reveal a different exemption status. There are a few, but I attribute that to late filing, as there are several years of filings that were filed late. To be fair, 501c4 is listed for every year after this one
     
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