Pickleball

Does anybody know Steve Manolis Mr. Pickleball? Has this individual had his hands on any Sun City members or board members in regards to Mountainview??

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/11/21/outside-voices-fuel-pickleball-craze-phoenix/

 

Interesting article SW and one i would argue is more in support of indoor courts which would mitigate the noise. As far as Mr Pickleball goes, never heard of him but my relationship with pball is virtually nil. Disclaimer: My wife plays some, but tennis is her game. Oddly when she goes to Marinette she always opts for outdoor rather than indoor.

 

https://www.12news.com/article/spor...alley/75-7c71b043-e2e8-4d9c-bbc1-fa6d798c8593

The other story I was looking for. Interesting.

And to everyone, I don't play. I'm too old and would have to be in a chair with a shield to protect me.

 

Another fascinating story, thanks SW. The reality is these types of story have been written time and time again across the country. The real explosion will come when it becomes an Olympic sport and colleges have inter-school rivalries. If and when those things happen, it will put the game on the map permanently. Even without it, it's way too hot for our senior community to ignore.

Sadly, last night at the membership meeting we saw and heard those who resent what is happening in the wide world of pickleball and with all of the senior community's competing for that share of the marketplace. It is indisputable, from a pure per-capita perspective, Sun City is last. We simply have refused to accept the data regarding the numbers of courts we need to at least be competitive.

 

Why compete with something that can be found all over the valley. People do things other than play pickle ball. Would be nice to attract a niche market. What is something other communities don't have? An indoor dog park facility. I don't own a dog by the way. Far more people own dogs than play pickleball. Why can't we be the first of its kind with something wholly different? Would be cheaper and a huge attraction in my eyes. Just throwing it out there that maybe we need to think outside the box rather than trying to keep up with the Joneses.

 

$25-27 million MV decision left to a nine member Board of Directors each having their own bias. Seems to me a city wide vote on the final design would be appropriate and doable.

 

As did every member on the SAC committee. They were put on that committee because they each had skin in the game!

It would be nice if the entire community contributed to the vote of the final design but unfortunately most community members have very little factual information and their decisions would be primarily based on rumors and misconceptions!

Sorry, but I believe most are tuned-out!

 

I am thinking that once board decides the final design and price, then give the community opportunity to vote yes or no. Just as is done for a school bond issue. Our opinions would certainly mean something on this type of vote. All this bickering over inadequate information is ridiculous! I mean “who the hell is on first”. I know “what is on second”. But seriously, why not try a city wide vote?

 

I would be completely against a community wide vote. You do that once and people will be wanting to vote on every decision the board should be making. People had their chance to give their opinions. Leave the decision making up to the people we elected.

 

Understood O and T. Could put in by-laws voting only on PIF funding of $10 million or more. After experiencing the existing process for MV project, which still is not complete, a vote on the issue might save much time and energy.

 

The board intentionally created the PIF so they didn't have to vote on large projects. The non-users (which there are plenty) of any of the amenities being improved have no reason to want to see the PIF spent.Old and tired is right, between SAC and all the open meetings, the board heard more than enough feedback to sort through the fiction and sort out the reality.

 

If a $27 million dollar project was well designed and well vetted by the BOD, I trust the community would vote appropriately. Either we trust the members or we don’t? And hopefully the members would than know their opinions and votes are important.

 

And if you are wrong, then what?

You watched or partook in the SAC, how often did you see or hear concern for the masses compared to how often you heard from those just wanting what they wanted? With 32,000 plus voting members, the vast majority will never visit Mountain View nor care if it is remodeled. This isn't about trust Tom, this is about human nature. The PIF was created with a purpose to avoid those kinds of pitfalls.

It's exactly why the proposal to do away with the PIF and just roll it into the general ledger fund was so ugly. Imagine the selling job a board could do by telling members fees wouldn't have to be increased because the 30 million dollar PIF fund was their new piggy bank.

Here's what i do trust; the membership to get involved and vote for people who actually care about what they say and think. The fact they had countless meetings where members could express themselves and their thoughts should help provide the board and management the framework for the Mountain View renovation.

 

It would be difficult to set up a fair system for voting on a $27 million project. If wrong, listen to voters and change the proposal. As you know this is done all the time by school districts when trying to pass a bond for construction. Difference is they develop the proposal and then look for support from the community. The process here seems to reverse this process. Here it is look for support and then design according to support. That is why many are not happy the engineering, etc. hasn’t already been done. Who knows what is going to happen? What then?
Like the $1000 PIF increase and the board. We are voting for this, but management needs to tell us exactly what we are voting for. That hardly seems fair to members. This is backwards in my mind. Have the specifics known to all before voting to increase the fee.

 

Tom T, Regarding passing school bond issues, the voters are either approving or disapproving the school board to borrow money to build a school, not approve a plan. (I was on a school board for eight years and involved with two bond issues. One passed and one didn't.) Generally speaking the school board will have developed and presented a plan so the voters know what they are voting for. In the case of RCSC, the money has already been collected so no borrowing, or purchasing bonds, is necessary.

 

Understood Janet! Similar, but not the same. And yes the devil would be in the details of a vote on $27 million. I guess what I am getting at is we need to know exactly what the plan, design, and finances are first.
The motion to cancel plan 2 of the original MV project was finally dropped at membership meeting because not enough info was available. The members I believe made a great decision on that motion.
There is still a long way to go on a new MV plan. It is like we are back at the drawing board .(no pun intended)

 

The new $1000 fee does not go to PIF, just so we're clear. The new fee is for capital that doesn't quality for PIF.

 

Yes, clear as a whistle. And we will know all the details once management has completed the refinement of said implementation for the fee.

 

Capital Improvements Fee, CIF
Current RCSC 2023 Capital Projects List
https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/2023-10-Capital-Projects-10.31.2023.pdf

 

We are 100% ahead of where we were 2 years back. Miracles do happen...don't they?