RCSC IRS 990 2021

“I would be curious to hear eyesopen response to that? I suspect the agenda was more in line with cutting the current payment in half for singles while doubling all the current couples. “ June 9th, 2023 BP
Absolutely not, never suggested reducing the annual assessment for singles! Issue is not the assessment cost. It’s what membership benefit is associated with it. No one should get free access to RCSC facilities and amenities.

Your detour from the posted topic of RCSC 2021 990:
You have written on this thread;
“The problem of course is in our current structure and how we bill single owners a flat rate lot assessment. Large increases hurt single owners worse (for the most part). “ May 31st, 2023 BP
“…it should never have been done in the first place. It was shortsighted and while there was some upside, there was far more downside.” BP June 3rd, 2023
“It's simply too bad those living here didn't pay more attention to our history, we might have been able to avoid the crappy position we are in right now.” BP June 4th, 2023

My consistent responses to comments:

Time to stop rewarding dual deeded households with one paid full access to RCSC facilities/amenities per assessment AND one for FREE. Two memberships for the price of one!! Each membership needs to be paid for.
No more FREEBIES!!

Every qualified individual resident of Sun City should pay to enjoy RCSC facilities and amenities.

One paid “lot” annual assessment should receive one optional membership benefit.
There would be one optional membership benefit offered with payment of the assessment.

Any additional resident membership associated with the property would be $525 per individual.

 

That still doesn't answer the question how you get there? Do you honestly believe that if they double the assessment on every couple tomorrow there wouldn't be a class action lawsuit?

 

Thank you for apparently agreeing there was never an effort mentioned to reduce the assessment for singles and doubling all the current couples (dual deeded).
“I would be curious to hear eyesopen response to that? I suspect the agenda was more in line with cutting the current payment in half for singles while doubling all the current couples. “ June 9th, 2023 BP”

As for righting the mutually agreed wrong, implementing eventually, will be another successful historic challenge our Sun City is known for. Timing is everything.

 

So if we are Grandfathered you are going to double what we pay. Good luck with that Lol

 

Are you okay with continuing this??
Sun City RCSC loses $5,250,000 annually when it gives away 10,000 free memberships to married couples if they are both on the property deed. Married, when $525 assessment is paid, can choose to receive benefit of two memberships, a value of $1050.

What is the marital status of Sun City residents?
A total of 3,441 people in Sun City have never been married (which represents 9.21% of the total population), while 20,066 of them are wedded (53.73%). Separated and divorced residents are in smaller numbers, at 359 (0.96%) and 7,134 (19.1%), respectively.

Never Married 3,441
Married 20,066
Separated 359
Widowed 6,706
Divorced 7,134

Never Married 9.21%
Married 53.73%
Separated 0.96%
Widowed 17.96%
Divorced 19.1%

Sun City population 37,693
Married 20,066
Unmarried. 17,627

What is the population of Sun City?
There are 37,693 residents in Sun City, with a median age of 72.4. Of this, 42.02% are males and 57.98% are females.
Total Population 37,693
Male Population 15,838
Female Population 21,855

Male population 42.02%
Female population 57.98

How many households are there in Sun City?
There are a total of 22,793 households in Sun City, each made up of around 2 members. Family establishments represent 48.19% of these Sun City households, while non-family units account for the remaining 51.81%. Additionally, 0.99% of households have children and 99.01% of households are without children.

Total Households 22,793
Average People Per Household 2
Family Households 10,985
Non-family Households 11,808

Family Households 48.19%
Non-family Households 51.81%

Occupied Housing Units 22,793
Owner Occupied 18,984
Renter Occupied 3,809

Owner Occupied 83.29%
Renter Occupied 16.71%


Methodology & Disclaimers
Demographic data shown in this section was gathered from the latest U.S. Census Bureau release, the 2021 American Community Survey. The information is updated yearly, as soon as new data is made available by the US Census Bureau

 

Would we really have to double the assessment for a married couple? For new buyers, why not consider making the increase the same as the privilege card fee? The property assessment fee provides one card; if the other spouse is a frequent user of amenities they purchase a privilege card; if just an occasional user, such as just pools or mini golf, they just use a punch card. Does that work? And, if RCSC had a sophisticated software system, this wouldn't be a huge nightmare to manage from a budgeting standpoint, but that's a topic for another day. It will take a bit of transition, but the budget shouldn't be adversely affected, and current owners wouldn't be negatively affected. Just a thought - or maybe I'm missing something.

 

Linda,

Your suggestion is a good transitional compromise. It recognizes there is an expense to be paid by everyone for RCSC membership.

In time, RCSC will join other senior communities that associate one cost for individual full access membership to facilities and amenities.

The new revenue will help us avoid frequent increases to the annual assessment, too!

Why has RCSC marketed Sun City as a “value” with such a low cost? It gives the impression we’re desperate for new owner/members.

Look at the 2023 membership cost comparisons for TWO HERE.

Beware the lowest cost,
you get what you pay for.

Thanks, again for the compromise suggestion.

 

Your census data is only partially applicable, as i believe renters are considered occupants eyesopen. We know the actual RCSC membership is something under 33,000. Renter's can purchase privilege cards while the actual home owner is still paying the full lot assessment. So, if a person owns 10 homes, they pay 10 assessments (is that fair?). I would argue t is, but they get 1 vote (2 if they are a couple), and 1 or 2 cards.

You keep citing what i wrote about it being a mistake. I'll stand by that, but fixing it would be a nightmare that would rip the community apart. I hated when they did it back in 2003 because i spent most of my work life dealing with contracts that contained grandfathering clauses. They never play well, as they always reward those who have been around a better benefit and typically newer employees (in my case) get treated lessor.

It's a way to get things done in the short run and in the long run creates problems. In my opinion, they should never have gone to a single lot assessment. The best argument for it (and one you keep ignoring) is when a single person buys a property in Sun City, or anywhere else for that matter, they pay a flat rate property tax. It doesn't matter if 1 person live there are 4. The best argument against the current structure is it is unfair; like if you were to buy a gym membership and have to pay for two of you rather than one.

That oversimplifies it and minimizes both the historical application and the fact most other communities pay on a per person basis. I wrote earlier of the failed Community Center (Oakmont) 1960 per lot payment where it was optional. Since that mess, everything was done on a per person basis. History should teach us something. Fixing it now without ripping the community apart is impossible. That's why i say, it should have never been done; it wasn't fair but once they did it, changing it would be a nightmare.

I am always amazed by your research eyesopen. You dig up data with the best of them. But raw data without context is simply speculation. The idea that if we just doubled the cost for a single for a couple, it would generate more money than we need. In fact, i would and have argued, had we stayed on a per person basis we would still be far and away cheaper than everyone else. The reality of numbers is when using single payments and couples each paying is based on how many of each there are on any given year, and then setting the budget to know how much we need/want to collect.

All of this speculation is just "what if games." Frankly this board has more on their plate right now than taking on this fight. MV, the new GM, outside golf and the bylaws are just the tip of the spear. They need to find ways to advance the survey, work and focus groups, rebuild the communication piece of the puzzle and find a way to try and get the our woefully inadequate technology up to speed (pun intended).

Taking on this battle would be literal suicide.

 

I remember when I saw a person turned away when trying to use a punch card. They knew he lived here with his mom so the needed a privilege card.