Somebody please tell me it ain't so...

Discussion in 'Sun City General Discussions' started by BPearson, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. carptrash

    carptrash Active Member

    I think I just threw up in my mouth.
     
  2. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Congrats to the board. Looks like they are going to address the punch card issue at the next board meeting scheduled for Feb 27, 2020. The proposal is to return to the good old days. Should be a no-brainer.
     
  3. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    I also say congrats and good job to the folks that voiced their opinions of complete opposition to the position management had taken. Appears to be a win-win all the way around.
     
  4. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Curious yet again...anybody go to the board meeting today? Did they get rid of the punch card to walk the mountain park? Was it contentious? Unanimous?
     
  5. carptrash

    carptrash Active Member

    I got the wake-up call to go to it but opted to go back to sleep. I too am curious as to what happened.
     
  6. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Just watched the board rescinding the punch card policy to walk the lake. Best of all was doing it immediately. Thank you for taking the proper action. Sun City is better for it.

    There was one disappointing moment when Darla suggested members jumped to a faulty conclusion based on what they read. Really? The assistant manager stepped to the mic and told us point blank the management team decided a year ago to charge a punch. Sorry, but that was straight from the horses mouth. No one jumped to a conclusion other than what we were told.
     
  7. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    One troubling aspect from the meeting was now when a "visitor" or was it a "guest" came through our centers the monitors were asking for their identification to be handed over. I saw it first hand the other day as i was leaving my workout at Bell and the monitor handed back the id to the person walking through. I was stunned. Then when push came to shove and people were trying to get clarification, the gm got up and rambled on about how there had been a recent change in policy because Realtor's often brought potential buyers through the centers.

    OMG. For the past 20 years i have walked guests, visitors, relatives and visiting media all over Sun City and at the very most had to show my rec card (and usually not even that). How freaking friendly/welcoming do we look when we ask someone walking through for their drivers license to hold on to? The good news is (i think) the gm announced they are reviewing their latest policy for the board to consider. Hopefully it is steeped in common sense and not stupid.
     
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  8. carptrash

    carptrash Active Member

    It seems to me that asking guests (or is it visitors) to even show ID is an insult, what does it matter who they are, and expecting them to leave it behind in case they, what? Rip out a park bench? Throw rocks at the herons? Piss off the water fall? Come on folks, loosen up.
     
  9. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Now i see they are trying to "fix" their latest cluster flock. Apparently someone in management thought it wise to collect driver's license's as folks toured. Not sure how and who was targeted. The gm rambled on about real estate agents bringing folks through the centers and they needed some control. Reading the agenda, there's a more clear policy they are proposing in that only unaccompanied visitors would be asked to fill out a request form and ID to tour. If they had a resident with them apparently no problem. Amazing how we got by all these years without any of this being an issue.
     
  10. IndependentCynic

    IndependentCynic Active Member

    We trust realtors to escort visitors in our unattended homes, yet the Corporation doesn't trust them to escort visitors in their facilities? Is it paranoia or power tripping that drives the RCSC to treat everyone with such suspicion? Seasoned managers should know you can't cover every case and contingency with a written policy. Hopefully they'll let common sense prevail.
     
  11. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    I think that some of us are living too much in the past. This is the 21st century and things have changed dramatically since you, your parents, and grand parents came to Sun City.

    I have seen changes I don't like, but no one and I'll repeat that "No One" likes change especially as they age.

    Are all the changes made to Sun City by laws and governing documents good? Probably not, but this is the world we live in today.

    Without community involvement, it is left to the GM to make changes as she sees fit. If you don't like what is happening to Sun City, get out and talk to your neighbors and get them involved.

    If HUNDREDS of card carrying Sun City residents show up at a board meeting and register their complaints, maybe there will be change. But don't hold your breath.

    Look at the participation on this forum. It is barely active.

    The newest generations moving in to Sun City have no interest in its history. They care only that it is a reasonably safe community with the most FREE amenities of any age restricted community.

    If it is FREE and they don't have to get involved to get the FREE stuff, that is paramount. Everything else means absolutely nothing.

    I have been here over 20 years and rarely use any of the RCSC facilities. Why? Because I have outside interests that keep me active and in good enough shape that I don't have to use the fitness centers. I don't golf. Never have, never will because eyesight is marginal and I have no depth perception. About the only RCSC sponsored event that I use is the FREE concerts at the Sun Bowl.
    I don't need to go to a dog park for social interactions. I am capable of driving more than 3 miles (the boundries of Sun City) and drive daily to sites all over the greater Phoenix area to build houses, and construct block walls. I prefer to get out of Sun City to see what the rest of Arizona has to offer. I may be retired, but as long as I'm capable, I will give back to the community bu using any talents I have physically and mentally without regard to how far I have to travel.

    Dog park users are complaining that they have to drive from phase 1 to phase 2 and phase 3 dog owners are complaining they have to drive from phase 3 to phase 2. What an inconvenience.
    Yes, there are residents that may be incapable of driving 3 miles but that does not mean that a dog park is need in all phases of Sun City.

    ELECTRONIC data collection should be used at the dog park to determine the real number of users of same. Who is going to monitor and determine whether a dog is large, mid size, or small?
    There are definitely no proven data statistics of how many people are actually using the dog park. Speakers at board meetings are quoting figures that have no data to back them up.

    We are in the 21st century. Data collection and analysis is the norm. EXCEPT IN SUN CITY!!!!!!!.
     
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  12. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    SCR, why are you, for the most part, always sour grapes?

    You have repeatedly told us you get out of SC as often as possible, your interests lie outside the community, and frankly, it feels as if you live in SC against your will!

    What skin is it off your nose if there are six dog parks, you wouldn't use them anyway. Your disdain for the people who live here has been heard from your posts before. If you are so darned unhappy with the community, why do you stay?

    History does matter, it matters to the extent all of us living here need to know the roots of the community. How we got to where we are, and how we can undo it is a paramount concern, especially with the possibility of hiring a new GM, one who can care about the residents and the community and not just be another power trip.

    Yes, we are in the 21st century, and as long as the current GM holds the reins of power, we will stay in the dark ages, as it works to her advantage. That is not a resident problem it is a management problem. As long as the board keeps giving away its powers, we are all stuck in the dark ages.

    The forum is in a state of flux right now. Just because there hasn't been a post for a few days doesn't mean its down and out. After all, it drew you in, sour grapes and all.
     
  13. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Deep breath C, the shot SCR took was at me and my love of and for the history of this community. Broad shoulders here and i can take it, just fine. I've known him a long time and while i don't agree with his opinion, at least he's got one and is willing to state it. It's funny in his summary he talks about what Sun City needs and we 100% agree. Data collection is essential. Hell, the reason i left the long range planning committee was because they (the board and especially management) refused to even consider the idea we drive the technology issue hard and fast forward.

    My disdain for SCR's point is simple; he is wrong. Those buying here do care about our history. We see it virtually every day at the museum. Sadly we struggle with the financial aspect of how to scale it to the size we want. We are working on that and it will pay dividends in the coming years. That matters because we know the successes we have enjoyed in Sun City are pretty well summarized in those first 18 years (1960-1978). There's virtually nothing new, it's all about recycling and recreating what came before us. We understand that better than most and the next two years will showcase it.

    Here's the other thing i will say about his comments. I have never quit believing in what Sun City has to offer, how good it is. Sure we've strayed, yes those buying here are "different" than the greatest generation. But beyond that, new buyers love the community and what it has to offer. I look back to May of 2003 when we first moved here and fast forward to today, and i can tell you i've never wavered. I stopped going to meetings because voicing my opinions to folks who don't care what i have to say was a waste of my time. There's far better options in how i could grow the circle. And, to be clear, SCR may think the gazillion hours i have given back was meaningless, but i know better. I know historically the community worked because the believers were willing to work tirelessly to make it work.

    Full circle brothers and sisters, full circle.
     
  14. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    Lots of deep breaths, Bill, lots. He may have been coming after you for the history, but the dog park felt like a shot at me. I have tried to get a second dog park in SC for how many years now? There is a new Lennar Senior Community opening up in Surprise, and in their advertisements, state there will be two dog parks. Tell me this amenity doesn't have a draw? If Lennar realizes what a value to the neighborhood this is, then a community as large as SC should have, at a minimum, 3 dog parks, one for each phase.

    The endeavor and time spent to get the dog park approved was not for naught. I know it will still come true, just need to keep it on the top of the list for the short term.
     
  15. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Fair point CM; the second dog park was your passion. My sense is it is nowhere on anyone's long or short term list; the only shot is if people show up in masse and force the issue.
     
  16. IndependentCynic

    IndependentCynic Active Member

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  17. 3GenSCAZ

    3GenSCAZ Member

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  18. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    If only life were this simple, this much fun. On a lighter note, we are getting a new puppy in about a month and then the real "fun" will start. Lord help us.
     
  19. CMartinez

    CMartinez Well-Known Member

    Love the picture, so pawsitively funny.
     
  20. IndependentCynic

    IndependentCynic Active Member

    Certainly, they are light-hearted. But seriously, there are golf courses that allow dogs on the course during conventional play. Could that provide a way of getting around the golf deed restrictions? I know the golfers won't support anything, but depending on the wording of the restriction it might be away to divert a portion of course property to be a DP somehow disguised as doggie golf.
     
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