Civility; let's talk about it.

link to hearing http://azleg.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=13&clip_id=22696
Happy listening.

 

As to RCSC Lawyer presentation, I believe you are referring Lobbyist hired by RCSC -- Her name is Mehgean Dell'Artino and yes she is good and no doubt well paid but not an attorney according to google.

 

Aggie: Sun City West has what is called a new owners asset management fee. It is also $3500 and no one has suggested it go away. The difference there is they have committees that are involved in every aspect of how it is spent and the membership sits in whenever they want. There are no closed door meetings other than those protected under the statute.

They have considerably higher fees, but they also charge single card holders a single rate. We know from the data on their site, 40% of the homes are single card holders. We don't know how many we have, but in effect, the single card holders are subsidizing dual card holders paying the single per property rate. They have a third less population base to work from (approximately 18,000 rooftops) and nearly as many amenities. Their golf courses have hurt them worse than ours as i have been told they subsidize their costs with rec fees (don't know if it is true).

In Sun City, both golf and ten pin bowling are supposed to be budget-neutral. I don't know if that is the case in Sun City West. If my comment is correct about golf having to be budget neutral, the only way we would ever know if that's true would be with a forensic audit. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. You'll turn blue then fall over dead.

 

Aggie - As I understand it the PIF concept is pretty common amongst the communities that do follow T33. Sun City Grand calls it a care fee.

 

How could that be? While budget neutral doesn't have a concise accounting definition that I could find, in general I believe it refers to a concept wherein cost is offset by revenue. So for golf that would imply that greens fees, etc. would cover the cost of everything related to providing golf. I remember old RCSC budgets with items like $600K for golf. Was golf ever budget neutral in SC?

 

Give me a break. This lawsuit has been going on for years. We've all heard the complaints by the "group". I've been attending meetings in Sun City for 20 years and can remember how this all started.[/QUOTE]

I am one of those that took the time and had the courage to go down to the Legislature and oppose SB1094. Those of you who did not missed an opportunity to make known your opposition to this legislative trickery and subterfuge. Now you degrade and denigrate those of us that went and presented. I say to you, put up or remain silent.

You have no creditability to Monday morning quarterback those that made the effort and almost pulled it off.

Tom McClain

 

I haven't degraded or denigrated anyone Tom. Your presentation may have been the best in opposition but the reality is once you went down the rabbit hole of residents not being able to run for the board because the RCSC wouldn't let them, you lost points. To my knowledge it has never happened. In fact, they usually are begging people to run. The bigger problem with being on the board is even if you get elected you will be in the minority.

As far as testifying, like i told you on the phone, the idea i am supporting this lawsuit is aggravating to me. I've written volumes on my opposition to it, the biggest being it somehow impacts the PIF. Too many ARS supporters tell me how they think the PIF is illegal/immoral and i just cringe. Without it we are dead in the water. And to pretend this suit isn't about the PIF is just disingenuous. Several of the claims focused on it. And, ARS didn't testify but she is still involved. She's called me three times in the last ten days.

With that said, we (the community) is better off operating under T33. More open, better transparency and recourse if they don't adhere to the law.

 

Well, welcome to the world of perpetual Title 10 and a board and GM that will consolidate their power base even more jealously. As far as your opinion of my presentation, I could care. I went there to prevent a miscarriage of the "Rule of Law." These backdoor legal shenanigans just offends my sense of fair play and justice. So, talk to the choir and remain ineffective.

Tom McClain

 

Like i wrote the other day, i must be getting older and wiser because my first reaction was to get snarky back, but why bother. There's nothing to be gained. I've tried over the years to talk to ARS and others to see if there was ever room for movement, but that was never the agenda. It was always about winning. There's always middle ground unless one or the other party has no interest, then we end up where we are and we all lose. Hell of a deal eh?

At least we agree on one thing Tom, this striker bill crap is exactly the reason people hate politics and politicians. It has nothing to do with justice or fair play. It's sneaky and underhanded and built and controlled by the very people who abuse it. We'll see what happens. The biggest concern is the republican's will simply pass it because it was presented by one of their own.