Tripe at it's finest...

Discussion in 'Sun City General Discussions' started by BPearson, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Late in the afternoon last Monday i picked the Independent newspaper up from my driveway. Funny how it works, because at that point i wasn't sure if i was going to waste my time trudging down to the annual meeting at the Sun Dial auditorium. I know they wouldn't make a quorum and i also know there would be an opportunity for comments.

    As i opened and read the weekly newspaper, i was suddenly enraged. The veins were popping in my neck when i got to the editorial page. There was a picture of our legislator Kevin Payne smiling at us as he promptly laid out the biggest pile of crap i have ever come across.

    Mind you, i've followed the board and managements comments regarding T33 and they've been disturbing. This time it was over the top, his statements took us to a place where if he hadn't stepped in to save us, Sun City and its glorious history would be gone forevermore.

    It inspired me to get off my ass and go to the meeting. It made me speak out in ways i had not intended. When the video is finally released, you will see i stayed calm and on point. There was no upside to getting obnoxious. It was a house crowd who love Sun City.

    Here's a couple of the whoppers he told:
    1). "In September 2018, a ruling by the Superior Court of Arizona put Sun City’s 55-plus age restrictions in jeopardy, which could end more than a half century of charm and identity the community brought to Arizona."
    There is zero percent chance of jeopardy regarding our age restricted status. That is a function of SCHOA enforcing the age overlay, not the RCSC.

    2). "This is a problem for Arizona and the future of active adult communities across the country — something must be done to protect Sun City."
    Really dude, not just AZ, but across the country? There are 94 age restricted communities in AZ, all but two operate under T33 and none have gone out of business because of them.

    3). "This is important because it means children of a Sun City homeowner could inherit their parent’s property and immediately begin living in the house, no matter their age."
    This one is the king of the bunch of smoldering excrement. The community has the right under T33 to set who lives in the house and there is nothing that mandates they let people under 55 move in. They can own the home, but they can buy and own now.

    Here's a link to the article if you haven't read it. Click here.
     
  2. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I wanted to break this down so the one post didn't drag on. What really irritates me is the article raps itself in the destruction of Sun City and its rich history. I seriously would like to know who wrote it for him. They were disingenuous to a fault and were brilliant at trying to scare people into supporting his bill. It is shameful.

    There are legitimate arguments for and against T33 compared to T10. I try and avoid the debate because it gets heady. In part, the planned communities act was passed to reign in rogue HOA's who were acting improperly. The RCSC in its strictest sense is not an HOA. Virtually every community after us was built on a platform of single entity governance. Even Sun City West is different. While their home owners association (PORA) exists, the ultimate authority on adjudicating their CC&R's falls on the RCSCW. To my knowledge, those communities that came after them all have a structure where the home owners association and the governing body is one and the same. Sun City is not.

    ARS was able to get the attention from her lawsuit because she demonstrated some "abuses." In most cases they were mistakes, but none the less it obviously caught the attention of the judge. In the original filing, there were all kinds of silly claims, but by the time it went forward they were dramatically reduced in number. It is exactly why i was pushing for us to adopt T33 years back, in all likelihood we could have avoided the lawsuit by simply moving to it.

    Of course the other reasons against T33 are some added costs and the big one is, they (the board and management) wants to do what they want to do. Under T33, that becomes more difficult. Payne's legislation assumes that all of us living here want the RCSC to function unencumbered by structure that mandates a more open process. And, that's why i get so angry by his article. Using our history to support the bill is BS. Our history was filled with a process of community involvement and only of late has the GM and board worked to diminish that role by rewriting our documents.
     
  3. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    Are you going to write a rebuttal to Payne's article in the Independent. It would definitely help get the correct information out there.
     
  4. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Bill, because you "spoke out" to the article written by Payne, in direct conflict with what Jan wants, the minutes will not be posted for viewing. She cannot continue to send out email blasts asking for support, when the video, will contradict everything she states or tries to push as an agenda.

    The only recourse is a rebuttal argument to the local paper as to how much "excrement" Payne and Ek are pushing on the community. You were there, you know what you said and in what vein it was said in. You are also the better writer and resonate with the local residents. Your connections and esteem are well known, making you the ideal person to pen a letter reiterating the truth. Please consider it strongly, as you have the first hand knowledge of what you said, the reaction received, and the local community behind you. Thanks for your consideration.
     
  5. IndependentCynic

    IndependentCynic Well-Known Member

    It occurs to me that the Independent doesn't have the "reach" to affect the voting of the State Senators, which is who needs to have their minds set straight. There needs to be an article in paper(s) like the republic. I don't how to make that happen quickly. The only reporter I knew personally is no longer there. Here's the contact info for the republic's staff: https://www.azcentral.com/contact/staff/
     
  6. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I've written the article this morning and will submit it to the Independent in the next couple of days. Just so you understand, the earliest it could possibly get in is a week from this Monday. There's no question the Republic has broader reach across the state but is virtually non-existent in Sun City. I know your point IC was to reach the politician's voting. I've broken my piece down to the lowest common denominators and will it make sense to those reading it.

    Interesting note, I've had two people come up and thank me for speaking up at the meeting the other night. They said i laid it out in a way they could understand whereas those supporting the Payne legislation made it sound incredibly complicated. too bad, because it's not. Of course, that is done on purpose, way easier to get buy-in if people think it's way over their head.

    And so i am clear, i have absolutely zero sense the article in the Independent was written by Kevin Payne, or a staff member for that matter. Nope, this one was written by someone who knows Sun City, our history and how to tug on the heart strings. I know, because it is the exact same style i use to draw readers in. There's only two people i know at the RCSC that would/could write that way. Frankly, that's what pissed me off, because they used the historical dynamic to support the argument.

    Payback is a bitch eh?
     
  7. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Thank You Bill, I know the article will be phenomenal, as well as be clearly written to lay out the truth in a way all can understand.

    I am quite sure the article written for the Payne interview was not written by him either. The writing style of the article is very familiar, leaving one with the sense of who really is behind this HB and that she will keep pushing her agenda hard and furious.

    As I was looking at all of the motions to be approved by the board, I will bet money, language in one of them states "the RCSC was formed solely for the purpose of being a facilities based corporation" or something to that effect. The word "Solely" will appear somewhere to match the legislation. The author of both the article, the bill and the pending changes to the Corporate Documents to Community Documents is being clearly orchestrated by one person, with some feedback by the BOD. I would suspect the BOD is not seeing all of the changes, yet they will vote to approve it, following the usual fare.

    Probably no open meeting this month, as Jan has an agenda to follow, and can't risk anyone questioning her direction with the documents.
     
  8. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    Your article should also be sent to all the legislators that were listed in the last email blast and probably to the judge.

    Just sayion - you want to reach everyone involved.
     
  9. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Bill, I would like to "borrow, lift, or otherwise plagiarize" the opening from this blog and send it to the Daily News Sun to see if they would publish it. I can't swipe the entire article, as I was not at the meeting, nor could I attend the meeting, even if I was so motivated. If you think it not best to do so, I understand, and would not do something like steal your work without you knowing about it upfront.

    I know it is late in the game to to get it sent and submitted for this week, but for all of the email blasts going out, there has to be some sort of rebuttal in a public forum to minimize the effects of those whose basic fears are being preyed on. If there were two people who asked for and respected your opinion, there are a lot more out there who would also appreciate the truth who did not attend the meeting.

    Thanks for your writings, they are very much appreciated and, I, for one, am grateful for your interludes.
     
  10. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Knock yourself out Carole, all good by me. I didn't even know they were still printing the DNS until i saw one in the driveway the other day while walking Sybil.
     
  11. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Submitted to Rusty Bradshaw
    Written by Bill Pearson/Edited by Carole Martinez


    After opening to read the weekly newspaper, I was suddenly enraged. There was a picture of our legislator Kevin Payne smiling at us as he promptly laid out the biggest pile of crap I have ever come across.

    Mind you, I've followed the board and managements comments regarding T33 and they've been disturbing. This time it was over the top, as his statements took us to a place where if he hadn't stepped in to save us, Sun City and its glorious history would be gone forevermore.

    Here's a couple of the whoppers he told:
    1). "In September 2018, a ruling by the Superior Court of Arizona put Sun City’s 55-plus age restrictions in jeopardy, which could end more than a half century of charm and identity the community brought to Arizona."
    There is zero percent chance of jeopardy regarding our age restricted status. That is a function of SCHOA enforcing the age overlay, not the RCSC.

    2). "This is a problem for Arizona and the future of active adult communities across the country — something must be done to protect Sun City."
    Really dude, not just AZ, but across the country? There are 94 age restricted communities in AZ, all but two operate under T33 and none have gone out of business because of them.

    3). "This is important because it means children of a Sun City homeowner could inherit their parent’s property and immediately begin living in the house, no matter their age."
    This one is the “king” of the bunch of bovine smoldering excrement. The community has the right under T33 to set who lives in the house and there is nothing that mandates they let people under 55 move in. They can own the home, but they will not be able to move in now if under the age of 55.

    Using our history to support the bill is BS. Our history is filled with a process of community involvement and only of late has the GM and board worked to diminish that role by rewriting our documents.
     
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  12. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    CM - has anyone sent the above to the legislators mentioned in the last email list? They are the decision makers and they should be made aware of the true facts regarding items 1-3.

    If no has sent it to them I would be glad to do it as it is a simple matter to send it to all legislators with a simple copy and paste into your email client.

    Also, if someone has the judges email address, I will send him Kevin Payne's article in the Independent and Bills rebuttal. He should be made aware that they are trying to nullify
    his decision with a new law that affects only the RCSC.
     
  13. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Have already sent a message to the judge. Trying to be real careful as to how I address it as I don't want to have to affect the case or cause the judge to be recused. I have not sent it to the legislative bodies, so if you have that information please feel free to do so.
     
  14. SCR

    SCR Active Member

    Sent to the legislators - those empowered to make the decision regarding HB2374.
     
  15. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Perhaps you may even get some positive replies to your emails. That would be a hopeful sign
     

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