New Community Room

..........never mind

 

I get it, don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

But I guess my real point is this; when you give the Members something at the cost of taking something else away, don't you think some sort of meeting should have taken place with the Members to hear what the Members thought of the idea?

So there was a "gathering" of about 20-25 people who's desire was to have a Community Room. Poof! Here's your Community Room! What about the remaining 30+ thousand Members? What did they think? (Full disclosure, I attended those Gatherings). There were other desirables mentioned but nothing was done about them!

Contrarily, you had 1,767 Members show-up at our Annual Membership Meeting expecting to vote on many issues and no voting was allowed!?!?!? Our bad. On retrospect we could have forced the issue and I believe there were votes that could have been taken. The Members could have decided whether or not to accept the ruling of the Chair by casting a vote to appeal that decision. It was, after all, a Members Meeting! However, the bigger problem was that the RCSC did not provide any provisions if a ballot vote were have taken place! No ballot material or identification placards as to who held proxy votes were even on site.

We were ramrodded through that meeting just as this Community Room was ramrodded with virtually no real input from the masses!

Is it too much to ask or question why the Members weren't included in that decision?

Just my opinion.

 

That "gift horse" could wind up costing a lot. It appears it's starting to cost owners their voice.

 

How many of the 1700 were proxies and how many people collected proxies?

 

You can get that info from the meeting minutes.

 

So what does that have to do with anything? Bottom line is, Members showed-up to vote and were not allowed based on an opinion from a lawyer backed-up by a ruling from the Chair. I tend to believe it was more like the lawyer backing-up a decision from the Board!!!!

There were 1,139 Members in attendance and 628 proxies.

Members were allowed 10 proxies, so you do the math!

 

I thought the topic was the new community room? The annual meeting is over, the could’ve/should have been is, for all intents and purposes, is a moot point.
Not trying to stop open discussion, but the hijacking of various threads has become more the norm than the exception. I know I am guilty of changing the topic as well from time to time, but I think it’s becoming excessive. The personal attacks are not a welcome addition to any discussion. Since someone selected a title for the thread, can we at least try to stay on topic, please?
Thank you

 

Carole it's just human nature to veer off topic. Just because I could I pulled a random thread from 9/2015. Topic: Things are heating up in Sun City...
It was about upcoming events at the Rec Centers with fall on the way. From there it went to A/C bills, then how many units people have, then use of ceiling fans, then how nice it gets when the sun goes down, then to a monsoon, and the final comment was about position of the planets on 2 specific days.

It's just the way life is. The only time things don't go off topic is when a thread has about 3 posts or less.

 

Why bother adding titles to threads if it’s not going to at least try to stay on topic? Just one, long, run on thread, where everyone just jumps in and posts whatever idea jumps out at the moment?
I believe when I open a thread to read what is posted, it will try to be associated with the topic chosen. This would also be helpful for the author of the thread to know what others have to say on the topic.
I don’t think it is unreasonable for the posting to be relevant to the title chosen. I would think it is more plausible than it’s actually happening. Just my opinion only.

 

Flexible thinking encourages you to explore new ideas and possibilities, which can lead to more creative solutions and a greater capacity for innovation. It's simply being open to new experiences. IMO not taking that side road to see where it leads might lead to missing a great new opportunity.

 

Flexible thinking doesn’t entail the loss of the original idea. Being flexible means the ability to work within the framework but staying on topic. Changing the topic changes the interpretation, leaving the reader without a clear idea of what the original thought was to begin with.

 

Reminds me of Catholic school. The BOD wants total control and now free speech has conditions.

 

I suppose the Board will rap your knuckles with a ruler or make you kneel on pencils if you get out of line. Then report you to the Board president who will give you some guilt song and dance.

 

I’m disappointed!

No, not with the Community Space.

I’m disappointed with the same ungrateful, whining, cry-baby, wannabe lawyers on this forum who are
miffed because they didn’t get their way (agenda) on how they believe the Community Space should
have been built, where, and the amenities included. They should be thankful that a space has been
provided. Is it perfect for their dreams/wants? probably not, but it is a start. Going through meetings
and establishing motions to find a suitable space, provide the included amenities, and getting member
feedback would take years.

And of course there are those who want FREE (always a Sun City winner) goodies provided.
If its free I'll attend or visit to get my free fix.

How many of these same people have actually visited the Space?

You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all the time.



Just one persons opinion.

 

So true SCR. The space was asked for, and it was delivered. Use it or lose it, up to the users to decide.
The board made a quick decision to make the room a reality. No drawn out process, just recognize a request and make it happen. The board was listening to the members and made a decision to bring a community room to fruition.
How many people have actually gone there and visited what is now there? Are the opinions based upon actual experience being in the space? Can it be that there are some who will actually be happy space has been created?
I am thankful the board took it upon themselves to try to make something happen that didn’t require endless meetings and a drawn out plan. They were listening and acted, be happy with what is given.

 

Just curious, who met with the board about this?

 

I've stayed away from the argument; good, bad or ugly regarding the new room. It's there, i've been in it, used it and during the time we were there, a couple of pool players approached us about "how it happened?" Unfortunately, nothing had been communicated to the pool players it was happening. I found that off-putting. Just before we left, a couple came in and expressed their excitement of the dart boards being closer than Bell and how much they liked the room.

The point is obvious; there will always be the lovers, haters and those who could care less. It's one of the challenges of being on the board and trying to get things done. Like many have said, its a start. Hopefully it works out well, my concern is embedded in the old real estate adage; location, location, location.

The other day we were chatting in preparation for this Thursday's gathering and i threw some rough stats on the table:
1). 29% of the rooftops are in phase 1 (South of Grand Ave).
2). 49% of the rooftops are in phase 2 (between Grand Ave and Bell Road).
3). 22% of the rooftops are in phase 3 (North of Bell Road to Beardsley).

As a historian i've always paid attention to those percentages and to the related numbers of amenities and expenditures from PIF. The reality is Phase 1 has the oldest amenities and should see larger than others investment. The fly in the ointment has long been the neglect of the Mountain View Center. One can certainly argue/question whether the Grand Center should have leapfrogged the MV project; not that it matters now.

The room is there, hopefully it will be used.

 

And there's the rub with me. Because if the room isn't used enough the Board will determine that a Community Room is not really needed, but the truth may very well be that it's not being used is because of the location!

I've been there as well. It's not that it's hard to get to, but its kinda way out of the way. It's up on the second floor, down the hall, and the very last room!

 

Unfortunately, that's the whole point. I asked that very question and never received an answer, not surprised. The point is residents are slowly losing their voice. To hell with the pool players, we will take their room and they will like it.

I also asked if anyone spoke to the board or did they just hear about it and went ahead to do what they felt was needed. Of course, no answer. Maybe you think they could care less as you stated above, however it's pretty obvious that the BOD could NOT care less about the residents.

I am just paying the bills.

 

Wow! A whole lot of aversion here. Also appears to be off topic and unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.