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  1. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

  2. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    It is sort of interesting to be at a place (here) were half the people (unscientific number) think Trump is the greatest thing and going to save America and the other half (see previous note) think he is trying to overthrow our government and Constitution and needs to be stopped. What are we to do? For all our thousands of words I doubt that anyone here has, or will, change anyone else's mind. I think that for me there might be better ways to spend my time. Right now it will be doing the dishes.
     
  3. Geoffrey de Villehardouin

    Geoffrey de Villehardouin Well-Known Member

    CT, only time will tell. Can I get you to wash my pans?
     
  4. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    How about that elon guy trying to buy the vote in Wisconsin by bribing voters? You've got to love democracy eh?

    But wait, it gets worse. This from my friends at The Bulwark this morning:
    "In 2019, Abrego Garcia filed an application for asylum and an immigration judge granted him legal protection from being sent to El Salvador based on legitimate fears of persecution and torture.
    The administration admits in its court filing that it “was aware of this grant of withholding of removal” at the time it violated that court order and sent Abrego Garcia off to prison in El Salvador anyway.
    And yet, the administration now claims that there is nothing a U.S. court can do to rectify their willful mistake. And they apparently have no intention of doing anything on their own to bring Abrego Garcia home."

    But here's the even better part in their court pleadings why they couldn't right this wrong:
    "An injunction as Plaintiffs request would harm the public interest by preventing the Executive from implementing a unified course of conduct for the United States’ foreign affairs. . . . The heavy interest in the President’s primacy in foreign affairs outweigh the interests on the Plaintiff’s side of the scale."

    Perfect eh? The man is screwed by the government but they don't want trump to look bad by returning him home.

    Who gives two-shits about due process now?
     
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  5. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    George Soros
     
  6. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Afghanistan withdrawal 13 Americans dead

    Getting Answers on the Afghanistan Withdrawal - Committee on Foreign Affairs
     
  7. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Let's keep this going with segments from today of my favorite writer at The Bulwark, JVL:
    1. Manliness

    We are all learning about Kilmar Abrego Garcia today, thanks to the Atlantic.

    Abrego Garcia’s story is something most middle-aged American men would recognize. He is in his early 30s. He had a job and a wife and a kid. Middle-class life was there for the taking. But sometimes the road is tougher than it looks.

    His kid had special needs. His boy, now 5 years old, is autistic and has hearing problems. He’s non-verbal. All of those Hallmark visions of fatherhood? First steps, first words, first game of catch, first day of school—those don’t happen with special needs kids. You get a different road. We’re supposed to say, “Oh, it’s different, but it’s wonderful in its own way.” And that’s true. But let’s not pretend it’s easy, because it’s not. Families with special-needs kids walk a harder path.

    That’s just reality.

    There’s a reason that divorce rates are higher for couples with special-needs kids.1

    But when the Lord sent Abrego Garcia a special needs kid, he didn’t run. He stuck. Which is what fathers are supposed to do.

    It’s what a man does.

    I'll post this in pieces so those of you with limited reading capacity won't be overwhelmed. By the way, there's a difference in metaphors and real life, but that's an explanation for another day.
     
  8. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    This tragic story unfolds in ways unimaginable in the America many of us love and has been shattered by what is happening. JVL does an amazing job of comparing one deported man legally here, against another man (an immigrant who violated his student visa) who is running amuck:

    Like I said, Abrego Garcia’s story is familiar. Except for one thing.

    Abrego Garcia didn’t win the geographical lottery. He was born in El Salvador and grew up in constant fear of gang violence.2 He didn’t join the jackals, though, and he didn’t give up, either. He fought his way to America and sought asylum.

    Can you imagine what that was like? Making your way thousands of miles to a foreign country as a teenager? I can’t.

    As messed up as our immigration system is, Abrego Garcia navigated it. He followed every instruction America gave him. Our legal system agreed with his asylum claim and granted him protected status. He continued to comply with every law. He paid his taxes. He’s a member of a union.

    So that’s one story.

    This week we also learned something new about Elon Musk. I’ll let him tell it:

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    Just a guy who has no idea whether or not a child is his and does not seem to be in a hurry to find out. He cuts a couple checks and goes on with his day.

    Musk has 13 other children by a number of different women. He does not appear to be terribly involved with any of them. He is actively hostile to one of them. He seems to spend more time—much, much more time—playing video games than parenting.

    Like Abrego Garcia, Musk is an immigrant. Except that he did not have to scrap his way to America. Musk was born wealthy, in South Africa, and came here to attend an Ivy League school on a student visa.

    One of these individuals is a paragon of manliness; the other is an effete parasite. The fact that the MAGA movement has them confused is a problem.

    The bigger problem, however, is the federal government.

    Because the government took one of these individuals and shipped him to a foreign gulag at the same time that it was granting the other one permission to pillage the government itself.

    That’s America in 2025. MAGA’s pathologies have metastasized so that its warped views on virtue, manliness, and family values are now official government policy.

    Even if they are against the law.

    My, my my...but wait there's more to come...none of it pretty.
     
  9. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Bill no clue why you are so obsessed with Musk and how many children he has. His life and how he lives it is not your concern. Read his bio about his childhood. Musk followed the law, came here legally and became a U.S. Citizen.

    The Duggars have 19 kids, Eddie Murphy has 10, shall I go on?

    As far as Garcia is concerned, he is an MS 13 gang member leader who is involved in human trafficking; your left-wing news orgs are making him sound like father of the year. He came here illegally and is not a citizen. Paragon of manliness????? Also, he is alive, which is more that we can say for those 13 U.S. Soldiers from the Afghanistan withdrawal.

    Paragon of Manliness??? By that definition Laken Riley's killer is a paragon of manliness as well.

    What frightens me the most about this is that some here in Sun City look to you, a man who looks up to an MS13 (a terrorist group) member, for advice and help for the community.
     
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  10. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    In spite of the dribble we read from the poster above, Garcia is not a gang member and now the government freely admits they were wrong. Which is exactly why this tragic miscarriage of has to be resolved quickly. The usual cast of characters including Vance, Leavitt and Cruz all tried to shift the narrative and claim anyone speaking out was supporting gang members. Pure crap from an administration that revels in pure crap. Read on and get sick to your stomach:
    2. Strength

    One last thing. The federal government now stipulates that it was wrong to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a foreign prison. It admits that it broke the law.

    But instead of trying to remedy its error, our government is going to the mat in an attempt to prevent remedy. The government claims in a filing that the president of the United States has no power—none!—over the sovereign nation of El Salvador and could not possibly coerce the country into returning Abrego Garcia to America.

    Here’s the government’s stated position:

    Plaintiffs admit—as they must—that the United States does not have custody over Abrego Garcia. They acknowledge that there may be “difficult questions of redressability” in this case, reflecting their recognition that Defendants do not have “the power to produce” Abrego Garcia from CECOT in El Salvador. . . . But even more, they concede that Abrego Garcia is not in Defendants’ custody. . . . Despite their allegations of continued payment for Abrego Garcia’s detention, Plaintiffs do not argue that the United States can exercise its will over a foreign sovereign. The most they ask for is a court order that the United States entreat—or even cajole—a close ally in its fight against transnational cartels.

    That is an actual legal argument made by Yaakov M. Roth (Acting Assistant Attorney General Civil Division), Erez Reuveni (Acting Deputy Director Office of Immigration Litigation), and Christopher Ian Pryby (Trial Attorney Office of Immigration Litigation).

    America cannot possibly importune the government of El Salvador for the return of this man because we have no authority over them and El Salvador is a close ally who we cannot afford to annoy.

    These mother-(bleeped it for those with a squeamish sense of outrage over foul language but not foul deeds) are making this argument at the same time as they are dispatching the vice president to stand on foreign soil and threaten a formal treaty ally with territorial annexation.

    They are doing this while telling Ukraine to submit to Russia because morality and law are immaterial and the only thing that matters is strength—if you don’t hold “the cards” then you do what the more powerful country tells you to do.

    Well tell me, counselors, what cards does El Salvador hold that it can’t be made to do what America demands?

    But that’s it, isn’t it? Our government won’t demand the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia because it doesn’t want him here. It wants him disappeared.

    Because his everyday manliness is an embarrassment to them. It makes Elon Musk—and Yaakov Roth, Erez Reuveni, and Christopher Ian Pryby—look pathetic and weak by comparison.

    May God have mercy on their miserable souls.

    Keep pretending this isn't happening, but it is, and anyone who thinks it is okay for what they are doing...May Good have mercy on your miserable souls as well.
     
  11. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Thank you for all this. I am very excited to share with my two conservative groups. Can't wait for the responses.
     
  12. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

  13. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Exceptional news you want to share this important story of injustice with your friends on the right. I know a lot of those right wing websites are fairly well clueless and are just hyping the party line/lies. Good on you for coming around on spreading the truth; albeit a little late to the game. The rest of the story:
    3. “Oopsie”

    If you haven’t read the Atlantic piece by Nick Miroff, please do. It’s sickening and important.

    Abrego Garcia’s family has had no contact with him since he was sent to the megaprison in El Salvador, known as CECOT. His wife spotted her husband in news photographs released by Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele on the morning of March 16, after a U.S. district judge had told the Trump administration to halt the flights.

    “Oopsie,” Bukele wrote on social media, taunting the judge.

    Abrego Garcia’s wife recognized her husband’s decorative arm tattoo and scars, according to the court filing. The image showed Salvadoran guards in black ski masks frog-marching him into the prison, with his head shoved down toward the floor. CECOT is the same prison that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem visited last week, recording videos for social media while standing in front of a cell packed with silent detainees.

    If the government wants to deport someone with protected status, the standard course would be to reopen the case and introduce new evidence arguing for deportation. The deportation of a protected-status holder has even stunned some government attorneys I’ve been in touch with who are tracking the case, who declined to be named because they weren’t authorized to speak to the press. “What. The. (bleep),” one texted me.

    Read the whole thing.
     
  14. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Sure Bill. So now you are a government operative. Sounds like Dave's World.
     
  15. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I know X is your go to source (said with a smirk), so let's clear this up with real news sources:
    Trump admin accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian mega-prison and says it can’t get him back.

    A man was sent to El Salvador due to 'administrative error' despite protected legal status, filings show.

    U.S. Says Deportation of Maryland Man Was an ‘Administrative Error’


    Maryland father sues U.S. officials after being deported to El Salvador prison.

    Who is Kilmer Abrego-Garcia? Trump admn admits man deported to El Salvador 'in error' with MS-13 gang.

    ICE admits to deporting a Maryland father to El Salvador due to an ‘administrative error’

    You want more? Oh wait, the administration admitted they made a mistake. Now it's your turn. BTW, every headline is linked to the source. None of which are X (raucous laughter aside).
     
  16. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    The truth is...
    1) The man is an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country.

    2) An immigration judge determined he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

    3) Because he is not a citizen, he does not get a full jury trial by peers. In other words, he received whatever “due process” he was entitled to.
     
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  17. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    And where did you get that information Tom?

    Links please and preferably ones that don't bring a smile to my face before i even open them.
     
  18. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    #1. I am not blind or vision impared.
    #2. Your source is The Independent UK

    Is The Independent UK bias?

    It has been seen as leaning to the left-wing of the political spectrum, making it more a competitor to The Guardian; however, The Independent tends to take a liberal, pro-market stance on economic issues. The Independent on Sunday referred to itself as a "proudly liberal newspaper".

    My go to is not X. I always check a Right leaning source with a Left to be sure. You should try it so you don't keep embarrassing yourself. Try clicking on any of your ginormous sentences to see where it takes you.

    ROTFLMAO
     
  19. Geoffrey de Villehardouin

    Geoffrey de Villehardouin Well-Known Member

    Benny Johnson, great source. Isn’t he the one who was producing news stories and film favoring Putin on that garage TV station in Nashville a few years ago? Now he has hooked with the reactionary news stations here which are propaganda vehicles. Karoline Leavitt will be working there once she graduates from high school. She is an embarrassment and the only way to improve her status is to go full Shawn Spicer for Easter.
     
  20. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    I already posted the press conference link Bill. Breathe! Relax! https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1907109888716685668
     
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