Biden Pardons 39 people. Here's the first.

Discussion in 'Sun City General Discussions' started by Josie P, Dec 16, 2024.

  1. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    MICHAEL CONAHAN, 72, OF NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA
    Conahan was sentenced to 17 years in prison for helping orchestrate one of the worst judicial scandals in U.S. history: a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks.

    Biden’s decision to commute his sentence angered many in northeastern Pennsylvania, from the governor to the families whose children were victimized by the disgraced former judge. Conahan had already served the vast majority of his sentence, which was handed down in 2011.

    “I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in northeastern Pennsylvania,” Gov. Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, said Friday.

    A message seeking comment was sent to an attorney who recently represented Conahan, the former judge of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas.

    In what came to be known as the kids-for-cash scandal, Conahan and Judge Mark Ciavarella shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from a friend of Conahan’s who built and co-owned two for-profit lockups.

    Sandy Fonzo, whose son killed himself at age 23 after Ciavarella locked him up as a teen, called Conahan’s commutation an “injustice.”

    “I am shocked and I am hurt,” Fonzo said in a statement provided to The Citizens’ Voice of Wilkes-Barre. “Conahan‘s actions destroyed families, including mine, and my son‘s death is a tragic reminder of the consequences of his abuse of power."

    The Juvenile Law Center, which represented plaintiffs in a $200 million civil judgment against Conahan and Ciavarella, said it “supported President Biden’s actions” but wants to see the “same kind of compassion and mercy” extended to juvenile defendants around the country.

    When he pleaded guilty in 2010, Conahan apologized to the youths he had hurt.

    “The system is not corrupt,” Conahan said at the time. “I was corrupt.”
     
  2. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    From what I can find in a few minutes of poking around was that the judge, former judge, statistically fell into a group that was given a mass pardon without looking at the individual persons or cases involved. This was a bad idea.
     
  3. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    38 more to come. 1500 commutations. I have a list with the crimes committed to post, maybe 10 a day. Even his own party is saying this is nuts. They are against his pardoning of his son. Joe has set a precedence here.
     
  4. Geoffrey de Villehardouin

    Geoffrey de Villehardouin Well-Known Member

    His pardon power is absolute so get over it. Can’t wait to see what kind of cockroaches Trump will pardon. My guess is anti semites and White Power Nazis.
     
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  5. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    I thought I would play Jeans game of clogging up the main forum. I don't care what Biden does. It's a corrupt administration. So "get over it" does not apply here.

    I am interested to see what happens with your posts on TOSC in the very near future though.
     
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  6. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    Trump already had a go at pardons in his previous incarnation os President. Here is part of what I found in reviewing those.
    "Trump granted executive clemency to three court-martialed U.S. military officers who were accused or convicted of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Trump issued pardons to seven Republican congressmen convicted of crimes: Chris Collins, Duncan D. Hunter, Steve Stockman, Rick Renzi, Robin Hayes, Mark Siljander, and Randall "Duke" Cunningham
    In November and December 2020, Trump pardoned four Blackwater guards convicted of killing Iraqi civilians in the 2007 Nisour Square massacre;
    Trump pardoned daughter Ivanka's father-in-law Charles Kushner.
    Trump's use of the pardon power was marked by an unprecedented degree of favoritism. Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.
    Many of Trump's grants of clemency were criticized by the federal agents and prosecutors who investigated and prosecuted the cases. Trump's grant of clemency to Stone in July 2020 marked the first time Trump granted clemency to a "figure directly connected to the president's campaign.” "No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose”
    In 2018, following a request by celebrity Kim Kardashian, Trump commuted the life sentence of Alice Marie Johnson who had been convicted of drug trafficking. In August 2020, he pardoned Johnson after she had praised his leadership in a campaign video at the 2020 Republican National Convention."
    With Trumps record as it is, I am surprised that conservatives want to look at pardons again.
     
  7. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Russia Gate. There is ZERO comparison to what was done to Trump and friends over the years.
    Commutations
    Office of the Pardon Attorney | Commutations Granted by President Joseph Biden (2021-Present)

    Pardons
    Office of the Pardon Attorney | Pardons Granted by President Joseph Biden (2021-Present)

    And let's not mention his administration hid his dementia from the American people.
     
  8. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

  9. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    Yes, we can (almost) all agree, Binden and his lot are scum. Now will you agree the same thing about Trump and his cronies?
     
  10. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Nope. Trump was trashed 24/7 since 2015 by the media, congress. We are learning the truth now.

    Conservatives stand by their convictions. I do not believe Trump is scum. He did too much good during his first term and I can't wait till Jan 20. You, a liberal, have been standing by Biden for years and just now admit he is scum when you knew it all along. You just admitted what Democrats are, the price is negotiable tho.
     
  11. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    I do believe that you have never seen me standing by Biden or the Democrats, much less "for years" because I did not vote for him as President and have never viewed him as much of anything. I have known what the Democrats are and I know what Trump is. Someone who has never done anything that did not immediately advance him some gain. I doubt that his billionaire friends will do anything that does not advance their pocketbooks either once they are in charge.
     
  12. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    You mean like Pelosi and all her interesting stock trades? And Biden who owns 4 multimillion dollar homes on a senator's salary all his life? Or Obama with all his homes and money? Trump was never a politician, he made his billions. He doesn't need the money. Name one other president who donated his salary back. If he or his pals make money they will not be doing anything different than Democrats, however Trump Lost money, Roger stone lost money, General Flynn is broke, so is Rudy.

    Our economy is a mess, wars all over the place. Biden sending billions to Africa and Ukraine when our people in N. Carolina are sleeping in tents in the snow while FEMA employees have cozy warm trailers. Biden is selling border wall materials for pennies on the dollar and buyers are trying to sell back to trump for a lot more. Who does that hurt? Us! The democrats hate America and are in bed with Soros.
     
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  13. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    I care nothing for Pelosi and if you are suggesting that Trump left the Presidency a poorer man that he entered it, well let's see his tax returns or any other evidence that show that.
     
  14. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Here you go. Wikipedia so it must be true.

    Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia
     
  15. Geoffrey de Villehardouin

    Geoffrey de Villehardouin Well-Known Member

  16. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    Here is part of what I find.
    "I became President because of the brand...I think it's the hottest brand in the world," Trump testified in April 2023 in the New York civil investigation. He suggested that the "brand value" of the U.S. presidency had been worth to him "maybe $10 billion or something."[41]
    During his presidency, Trump reported over $1.6 billion of outside revenue and income from his companies, including the Trump Organization. "While Trump publicly took credit for donating his taxpayer-funded salary," Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington noted that the presidential salary he donated was not even one-thousandth of what he was earning as a businessman.[42]"
    Most or all other president of the modern era put their holdings in a trust or something so that it seems that they are not profiting from being president. With Trump his wealth seems to be one of his drawing points from his followers so the more he earned the better. I have never heard of a rich person who had enough or there would be no billionaires. 100 million would be enough.
     
  17. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

  18. Josie P

    Josie P Well-Known Member

    Don't care
     
  19. carptrash

    carptrash Well-Known Member

    Yet you seem to care about how Pelosi and Biden and Obama profited from being in their public offices.
     
  20. Geoffrey de Villehardouin

    Geoffrey de Villehardouin Well-Known Member

    CT, in Davi Cay Johnson’s book The Making of Donald Trump, Trump is quoted as saying “I should run for President. I could make a lot of money.” The grifter in chief. If you brag you are wealthy, you are not wealthy. Trump is broke.
     

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