Purely Politics

Presumptive pardons? It that like being almost pregnant or almost engaged?

 

Josie, if you are comfortable reading history, you are reading the wrong history. Everything there is the truth but heaven forbid we actually teach our children facts like this. I feel truly sorry for you wanting to be ignorant.

 

Yes, you have said that before. Time for a new tag line.

If you are comfortable reading history, you are reading the wrong history.
Geoffrey de Villehardouin, Jul 21, 2024

I learn something new every day.
If you are comfortable reading history, you are reading the wrong history.
Geoffrey de Villehardouin, Jul 2, 2024

 

Don't believe this for 1 nano-second

Preemptive pardons on the way for Schiff, Liz Cheney, and Fauci. If they are not guilty why do they need pardons????? This administration is crooked as hell.

Josie P, Yesterday at 5:14 PM

When you quote someone it's good to try and get it right.

Biden considering preemptive pardons for officials Trump might target: Source - ABC News

 

It was about minor children you dweeb. Look at Shiloh Jolie Pitt. Dressed like a boy, haircut, wanted to be called John. Then after puberty SHAZAM!!! Make-up pretty dresses. Child mutilation should not be allowed. 21? Go right ahead and cut your breasts and penis off, I don't care. Just don't use the women's locker, bathrooms if you currently have a penis. Don't play in women's sports if you were born with a penis or had it cut off. Talk to Bruce Jenner if you don't agree.

 

I seriously doubt you were "a big hit" with anyone back then.

 

Probably (another woed for "my opinion") it's for things that she is planning to do in the next year or so.

 

You have got to learn to ignore the pretty bright shiny objects. Democrats have a problem with the truth and the facts. One retweet from MTG was tongue in cheek after the Hunter pardon.

https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1863953303899357555

The other was for the J6 folks who committed no crimes but have been in prison, some in solitary confinement for 4 years with no trial date.

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls on Donald Trump to pardon Jan. 6 protesters

 

300,000 missing illegal migrant CHILDREN under Biden admin. They found a few in Suburban Chicago. Boycott Hello Fresh. ABC News.

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1865573668337934546

 

I don't want to get into this anymore but I will say this; many things that have been stated on this blog are things learned from books, but it seems that it's only the books that Dave gives any credence too are the books that he reads!

It doesn't matter if Dave's books are attempts to rewrite history. Take the 1619 Project as an example, which Dave has indicated is the history that he believes is true. A complete contradiction of everything we learned in school. Not saying it's true or a lie, but when the New York Times defends it by stating “The framers carefully constructed a document that preserved and protected slavery without ever using the word.”, and then you go and actually read the Constitution and see that Founder's did, in fact, lay the grounds to abolish slavery starting in 1808, who do you want to believe? I believe the U.S. Constitution, or go back even further and read Federalist 42, January 22, 1788.

Stop feeling sorry for the African Americans who were granted citizenship in 1868 and allowed to vote in 1870, and think about our Native Americans who were here in this Country long before any of us, but they didn't gain citizenship until 1924! This, will of course, gets us into the Fourteenth Amendment and "BirthRight Citizenship" but that's a discussion for another day.

I won't get into how the Democrat Party is the one who has resisted emancipation and their support to expand slavery, which was a causation for the Civil War, or with the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow laws, etc. We all know what the truth is and it was only due to the Republicans that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed.

But as long as Dave only believes the books and the history that conforms to his own beliefs are the only true history, and everybody else is reading the wrong history, we will never agree.

 

Jan 20 can't get here soon enough! Bastard! What about N. Carolina?

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1865838325535281637

 

IMO Dave does not matter.

 

Get this man the hell out of the White House!!!!!

https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1865840010601349242

 

Tom, contrary to your myopic views of my historical education, I have read many many books from both sides of a question. That is what historians do.

The Founders did start to lay the groundwork for the abolition of slavery in 1808, it took a Civil War in the early 1860s to end it, sort of. Yes Blacks received the right to vote and did vote in the 1870 election, but Tom you seem to ignore the fallout of the the election of 1876 which ended Reconstruction and gave way to Jim Crow laws in the South which legalized racial discrimination. There was also the Court case of Plessy v Ferguson in 1890 which legalized National discrimination. You also seemed to ignore the Dred Scott decision which made slaves not people but chattel property. You seem to be unfamiliar with Senator John C Calhoun of South Carolina who popularized Nullification, ignoring laws you didn’t like. You also seem to ignore Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” during the 1968 campaign that flipped the South from Democratic to Republican. I acknowledge the “old Democrats” prior to 1968, but you seem to have trouble that any expansion of civil rights is fought by Republicans. It is quite prominent today as they out groups to marginalize for political purposes.

As for Native Americans it is obvious that you do not dispute what I have said. It is true that they were not made citizens until 1924 but the tribes are still considered sovereign nations, name one treaty that the government has honored without court action. It took 500 years but they did finally find a way to get back at the white man, casinos! Take the white man’s money. I have done well in my visits to their casinos but never kept the winnings. I am proud to say that I have a small but nice collection of Dine’ rugs, pottery from different tribes and turquoise and silver jewelry. It was their money and their artisans deserved it.

 

I ignored nothing! What do think I was referring too when I mentioned the KKK and Jim Crow? The rules, laws, and the Southern views of African Americans is what sustained the practices for so many years! I think that the Emancipation Proclamation is one of the reasons Lincoln was assassinated! With Lincoln dead, the South could rise again and bring back slavery!

And that's because they were not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", they were under the jurisdiction of their tribal authority.

That is no different than a Guatemalan, or Mexican illegally crossing the border. Just because he is in this Country, he is not fully under the jurisdiction of the United States, and he is still a citizen of Guatemala or Mexico, as are his children, whether born here or in their country of origin, because the children take on the citizenship of the father. Sure, they still are required to obey the laws of the United States but they are not under the full jurisdiction of the United States. That's why they can't vote or sit on juries and not eligible for federal public benefits, etc.

If you read The Congressional Globe and the debates over the 14th amendment, you will read what everybody understood at the time.

Under the jurisdiction: Mr. Howard, " I do not propose to say anything on the subject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

As I have recommended before, do yourself a favor and read Emmerich de Vattel's, Law of Nations regarding international law.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed. By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

 

To date Biden Admin sends $175 BILLION to Ukraine, with another $50 BILLION added today. The folks in N. Carolina received $750 per family and some are sleeping in tents IN THE SNOW while FEMA has cozy trailers. Residents can't have trailers because they are not allowed in a flood zone.

The Biden administration despises America.

 

FYI, How about the revival of the KKK in Indiana in the 1920’s when they marched in Washington and Calvin Coolidge did nothing. Then there was the racist, xenophobic, anti Semitic Father Coughlan outside Detroit with a radio show in the 1930’s and the Church didn’t do anything about him. The Republican Party today has become a cross between the Democratic Party of the 1850’s and Germany of the 1930’s with a little of the Massachusetts Bay colony of 1650, the Church of the 13th Century and the cruelty of the Spanish Inquisition mixed in.

Maybe you should read up on Geoffrey de Villehardouin other than some Google info. Learn about how lived, his duty, honor and more importantly how he died. I bet none of Trump’s gerbils would do the same for him, I bet you wouldn’t either. Maybe read up Christine de Pizan and find out what a bad ass she was. Don’t see any of Trump’s female gerbils in Congress or potentially in his clown cabinet doing the same.

I don’t attempt to rewrite history as I leave that to others as that is what scholarship is for. I choose books based on research and thesis the author is setting forth. Bob Woodward is known as writing the first draft of history. He has a warehouse filled with his research for his books. He does realize that in the future other first hand information will become available along with his that might have a different story than what he wrote. History is not static, it changes as more information becomes available. True what we were taught in school is not what we know now. This is why I read several different books at a time. What do you read? The book you recommended, I’ll get to it eventually.

Today’s trick question, why was Paul Revere doing his midnight ride regarding the British and it wasn’t about guns and powder? Answer is in the book The Revolutionary by Stacy Schiff . I didn’t know until I read the book, so much for elementary and high school social studies.

Fourteenth Amendment, better read up on it and not on Google or OAN, Newsmax or Fox because I believe you don’t know anything about it other than was those drooling idiots tell you.

 

Try reading The Congressional Globe, you can find it on the Library of Congress website.

I've read the first hand debates on the 14th Amendment and not just someone's interpretation 150 years later!

 

Just like your today on Rich’s blog.

 

And what a fine post it was!

So what's your opinion on Birthright Citizenship?