Nov 21, 9 am start time.

By the time they go thru submitting the petition, assuming they achieve their goal, and the RCSC drags its feet validating the signatures, and then passing it over to the Election Committee to set a date on the vote, we will already be into next year!

The petition should just be to rescind or amend the motion.

 

Thanks for pointing out the obvious Tom. I suspect the action is more an exercise to help move them off this foolish decision. Because you are absolutely right, this will not see the light of day until 2025 when two of the board members being recalled are off the board. Throw in the whole election thing happening at the same time and it is quite the mess.

That said, i get the reasoning behind it. Rumor has it at least one board member has claimed the petition thing is no big deal. Really? I know of only one time in our history where a board members was recalled and lost. There has been other instances of a vote, but Art Williams in the early 90's, was recalled. Want the irony? He wanted to build an RCSC office building on the site of what was the artificial lawn bowling green at the Sundial rec center. The carpet was shot but the community hated the idea of losing an amenity. Oddly, after him being removed, the green was replaced with our current bocce courts.

Just another reason i love our history. Lord knows it truly does repeat itself.

 

Out of touch with the beauty that surrounds us. You can't put a price tag on that.

 

Obviously, that's the only thing it can do!

No matter what issue a petition may address, whether it's to recall the Directors or to simply rescind or amend the motion, nothing will come to fruition until next year and probably after the Board has already allocated and spent more money with the architectural firm!

More good money on top of bad!

Our only REAL option is to show-up in mass on Thursday and try to change minds.

 

Hi Bill,

How does one sign a petition? How would this get distributed, do you know? Thank you.

 

I know they are out there (i saw them on Saturday) and i think you can sign one the morning of the meeting out front of the auditorium. That said, i have not signed one yet as i have this remarkable (perhaps foolish) belief the board will do the right thing and listen to the outcry from and by the membership. Historically that has been the case. I see no reason for them to continue down a path so many are opposed to them taking.

 

Ok, Thank you!

 

Agree, Bill - taking a wait and see approach. As I said earlier in this thread "Each Board members' vote on Thursday will be revealing in any case." I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

The Board response to where are cost comparisons: 'we said we would take the recommendation of the architect' - this doesn't look too intelligent from a due diligence standpoint. Especially when that architect was most likely steered in a certain direction as the perception of the presentation in and of itself indicates - not to mention other indicators.

 

Tom, I do not believe the members have the right to rescind the motion as it is the business of RCSC. Only the board has the authority to conduct the business of RCSC

 

Yes, you are correct. I was thinking more towards the petition having a greater influence on the Board to rescind or amend.

 

The RCSC Bylaws allow for a Referendum Petition which is essentially a veto by the Members. If it doesn't apply to the PAC decision, what instances could it be used?

 

I believe the Board has to call for a referendum.

 

Although there is a difference between a referendum and an initiative, wouldn't it be nice if the RCSC defined exactly how they apply to the Member petition process?

 

Once again, our Bylaws are clear as mud.
If what you say about a Referendum Petition and an Initiative Petition, then the only recourse that Members have in our community is a Recall Petiotion. Also, they can submit amendments to the Bylaws for introduction at an Annual Meeting. We cannot vote. We can ask questions at Board meetings & write emails to them. Members really have few rights.

Did you watch the first Candidate Forum? A member asked if they (each candidate) would consider changing the Articles or Bylaws to allow Members to vote on high $ items.
Jean Totten as One Day at a Time.

 

Perhaps it is time this "great social experiment" is on the ropes. Perhaps we have run out of room for the members to have a voice. Perhaps we need to incorporate and just become a city, like the early founders figured we would be.

Or; perhaps we are exactly where we should be with members questioning those we elected about whether building a PAC on top of existing amenities is a wise decision. Perhaps some of us have looked at our future from a more holistic point of view and decided what the Lakeview Rec Center looks like/becomes is better served by doing it in total, rather than bit by bit. Perhaps, common sense is still alive and well in Sun City.

We'll see tomorrow eh?

 

We can only hope.
Jean

 

Jean, what do you think will happen if this board goes forth even with all of the pushback from members?

 

Some of us might see tomorrow just how much "pushback from members" there is: 50 or 100 out of how many thousands? And we are a republic and not a democracy, so once we elect those public officials we have given them the power.

 

Bill says we are self-governed as a city. Our country is certainly a republic.