Living in Sun City, AZ is Complex and Unique

Sun City Festival rec center is maintained by the HOA. https://www.delwebb.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/buckeye/sun-city-festival-11852/hoa

 

Fewer seniors downsizing
More vacant 55+ homes unsold become rentals
Story:
Older homeowners choosing not to sell larger homes, creating fewer options for young buyers
One of the reasons there aren't that many homes for sale is that older homeowners, those empty nesters, have no interest in moving.

PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - Don and Evelyn Johnson have lived in their Carefree home for 27 years, and they have no plans on moving any time soon. “There’s really no financial incentive to leave,” said Don. “I don’t see us ever leaving until it comes to the point where it becomes a necessity.”

The retired couple is among a growing number of longtime homeowners who’ve decided they like living in their larger homes and have no interest in downsizing, which is having a trickle-down effect on the Phoenix area housing market.

Jeff Sibbach with EXP Realty said that in years past, baby boomers and empty nesters would frequently sell their homes to buy something smaller and more manageable, then put the extra equity in the bank for retirement. That’s not happening right now.

More by Jason Barry AZFAMILY Jan. 31, 2024
https://www.azfamily.com/2024/02/01...er-homes-creating-fewer-options-young-buyers/

 

Sun City was built before Title 33 (Planned Communities Act) was passed by the AZ legislature. It was one of the reasons ARS's lawsuit died. Virtually all of the newer communities, including age restricted communities are covered under Title 33. Sun City is exempt and falls under Title 10 which is far less restrictive. It gives them greater freedom. Sun City West is closer to our governance than any other, but even they have become a hybrid with the Sun City West Recreation Centers (RCSCW) being responsible for their CC&R's. You all know SCHOA is free standing and gets no financial support from the RCSC. Sun City West used to pay PORA (their home owner association) to administrate the initial letters demanding compliance but adjudication was always up to the RCSCW. The threat to a member to lose use of the amenities was always compelling and why the evolution happened.

The point here is virtually all age restricted communities are called HOA's. Those of us living in Sun City, when we think of HOA's, we are most often familiar with SCHOA or if we live in attached housing, we typically know about the HOA that covers/governs the units we live in.

 

Not financially prudent in this economy. https://www.wsj.com/video/series/yo...ed-to-be/F714E830-C445-4F17-AE1F-0197835753F6

 

No problem, just hard to picture Sun City as a Disneyland. Notice in the rest of comment I basically agree with your idea. Though I would not think paying a lot more for family is appropriate.

 

I only mean folks who are non residents who know somebody living here, and get a visitor-punch card..guest pass, should pay more. I think we are too liberal on letting visitors plow in on the cheap. Disneyland? ....well those who are from Iowa and getting out of cold climates for a couple of months...think it is.

Have a great day Tom!

 

Gracias, and would be worthwhile to see actual data pertaining to punch cards.

 

Not correct when you stated "Sun City is the only one charging by lot!!" and "All other communities give one membership with annual assessment fee payment." I'll say it again, Sun City and virtually all other similar communities across the US charge per lot and not per person. The chart you are referencing simply tried to show Sun City West as a two person household so viewers could compare assessments in Sun City and the other communities except for Sun City West that provide amenities for two people per lot. While you can call this "buy one, get one free" or whatever you want, it applies to all of the communities except Sun City West. As HH posted above, Sun City Festival has an annual assessment of $1740 per lot which provides amenities for up to two deeded property owners and would be due even if there was only one person on the deed which makes my point.

 

You have to read and understand footnotes.

Owner Member Dues* $497

Footnote:

* Per Person
** Per Person Per Day
etc.

 

So last week you were talking about moving to Scottsdale and this week you’re claiming poverty. Which is it? And just like Bill P., I don’t care what your name is because you’ve already told all most of us want to know about you. Complaining about having to provide information to receive free money tells me more than enough about your character.

 

Enforcing existing RCSC guest rules would help!
2024 RCSC Cardholder Guide
WHEN YOU HAVE GUESTS
Guest Passes (or Host Punch Cards)

2. Neither spouses nor any Sun City, Arizona resident, whether considered seasonal (30 days or longer) or permanent, can be considered guests.Guests who live within seventy-five (75) miles of Sun City, Arizona are limited to fourteen (14) guest visits per year to RCSC monitored facilities other than RCSC’s golf or bowling facilities which have their own respective guest rates and policies.

3. A Guest Pass (or Host Punch Card) is required for guest entry to RCSC monitored facilities. Guests obtaining access to RCSC facilities with either Guest Pass (or Host Punch Card) may be required to show a government issued, photo ID to validate their identity and residency.

4. All guests, including immediate family, must initially be signed in by a Cardholder either in person or online through the RCSC Web Portal at https://login.suncityaz.org/. Cardholders are not required to sign in guests in person who have obtained Guest Passes. Cardholders must ensure that guests 18 years of age or under are accompanied by an adult at all times. Cardholders who misrepresent a person as a qualified guest or whose guest fails to comply with the Corporate Documents shall be subject to suspension of all privileges and may no longer be considered a Cardholder in good standing.

Page 9: https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2024-01-Cardholder-Guide-FINAL.pdf

 

Poor Larry. I have family in Scottsdale, however their plans are to move to Prescott. And no, I will not give volunteers who run a foundation my personal information for a one time gift of $575. I have no clue how that identifies "my character" as it is a personal choice. As I said before I receive financial assistance from two other large companies in the area. The info they requested was a lot less in volume and a whole lot less intrusive. SCF has a far greater turnover that most foundations. They are volunteers, not paid employees. Do they sign a confidentiality agreement? Would they be able to spew information on social media without consequences? SCHOA Foundation does not ask for that type of info.

 

Good info for all you've shared here, however they all need to pay more in my opinion. I just feel that is a way we could increase revenue.
Bill P. said we don't know how many people come in on these passes. It would be good to know.
If 4000 people come in from November to May, and we double the charge, we could be earning more revenue.
With the popularity of just pickleball now, we could also have another fee attached to pickleball along with the higher fee on the punch cards.
Just a way for the residents and community to start building up more revenue. These buildings will continue to cost money in maintenance, repair and paying employees.

What is that saying..." If you want to play you have to pay"
I just don't want our community to be taken advantage of. We could make more money here.
Have a great day!

 

Let’s get a five year plan first. Right now we’ve been reinventing the wheel every time a new board was elected. Let’s chart a course, make the necessary adjustments along the way and stretch the length out as we go.

 

That could be a deterrence to folks wanting a second home for the winter. Why buy here and pay double when there is SCW down the street?

 

Sounds great Larry and no argument from me. And I don’t believe this has to seem like rocket science. I would be happy just seeing a 5-15 year PIF plan. We might surprise ourselves with the result. Revenue vrs cost. Keep it simple. I’m thinking with a little direction from the board our finance director could show a general plan in short order. Ridiculous to not have this to help quell all the anxiety and rumors amongst membership.