It's The Process; stupid.

Discussion in 'Sun City General Discussions' started by BPearson, Jul 22, 2023.

  1. Say What

    Say What Active Member

    Enough with the rhetorical BS. Talking in circles and pissing away money on drawing and plans that at this point means nothing but empty dreams for the people who have waited for their venue to be completed. The longer you wait, the more people pass away with more broken promises. Either start building it or tear it down.
     
  2. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Not trying to be unkind here say what but you should think seriously about anger management classes. Seriously dude, chill. By the time this year is done, you’ll be thanking God for the change in leadership and direction.

    In the immortal words of Kwai Chang Caine: “Patience Grasshopper.”

    RIP DC.
     
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  3. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    Perhaps Say What should attend a F&B committee meeting before he/she joins the "I want it, and I want it now" choir?
     
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  4. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I wonder how many meetings our friend say what has attended over the years? I wonder if he/she ever opens the monthly reports showing the financials? Not to sound mean-spirited because realistically and statistically, the numbers are woeful.

    Of course after all these years of telling members not to care, that's what happens. What's the biblical term? "You reap what you sow." Who knew?
     
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  5. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    The sad truth is less than 0.2% of our Members attend board meetings and I suspect even less read the financial or management reports.

    Ignorance is bliss!
     
  6. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    We know the process works, one only has to look at the extraordinary lengths the RCSC went to with constant meetings with the home owners on Viewpoint Lake. Now, with the lake being filled, it went off with nary a hitch. Kudos to all; it was textbook on how to interact with the membership.

    And to be clear, while i am outspoken on the SAC's pacing, it too is moving the needle and lowering expectations. Admittedly there's a lot of ground to cover yet, but the shit hits the fan when the financial data and building costs are clearly spelled out. Hell if money was no object we may well have not changed course last year when the majority of board members flipped and became member conscious.

    Now, as we look forward, we need to continue to look back. Our history taught us "process works." The board has to embrace the membership, not fear them.
     
  7. Tom Trepanier

    Tom Trepanier Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Viewpoint Lake repair- I seem to recall many predicting a $14-$15 million project. Happy to hear they were able to stay within $8 million budget. Awesome!
     
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  8. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I would agree. If you recall when Bill Cook initially projected costs it came in a 6 million dollars. Three months later, he amended it to 8 million dollars and when confronted about the 25% increase he said "not one dime more." I doubted his ability to deliver but he did. Kudos to him and the management team for staying on budget and on time.

    For those unaware, this all started around 2010 when they determined the lake was leaking water back into the aquifer. The RCSC got bids that were 10-12 million dollars. Jan Eck, GM, worked with the state to get relief allowing for a 10-12 year offset. Truly interesting the costs to reline the lake actually went down. If memory serves me the initial plan was to line the lake in sections rather than drain it in it's entirety. I guess that was what drove the costs up back then.
     
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  9. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    I may be wrong but it was my understanding that a local farmer took it all and he used his own trucks and employees to do it?
     
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  10. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I had always anticipated a much higher cost than the projected 8 million dollars. Then when they announced there was way more sludge/soil (2 or 3 times as much) it sounded devastating from a budget standpoint. I asked how they had avoided higher costs and the answer made sense. Originally they were going to pay landfill costs at a dump but once they found how many truckloads were going there, the costs exploded. Not sure who found the farmer looking for fill but it worked out to everyone's benefit. The hauling costs went up, the dump costs were gone and the farmer got what he wanted.
     
  11. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    Give credit where it's due. Cook saved the corporation thousands. He located the farmer and took care of this. He discussed it at one of the workshops. I'm not happy with whatever happened between he and the board. Appears they want a whipping boy (or girl). I want my money to pay for managers who are allowed to share their expertise and experience rather than just do what they're told by those who are not educated on the task at hand.
     
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  12. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    Sambo, and although you give credit to Mr. Cook, who rightfully deserves it if it happened that way, then you have to be honest and ask yourself was it correct to hire an accountant to serve as a general manager?

    I'm sure Mr. Cook was a very good accountant, but you don't hire an electrician to do a plumbers job and don't hire an accountant to do a general managers job.

    And to the credit of Mr. McCurdy, I'm told he was asked if he would apply for the GM job but declined because he knows and understands his own strengths.
     
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  13. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    When the accountant comes from within the company yes I believe it can work if they have learned the operations and have worked with the staff. No one would grow professionally if they were forced to stick to their college major.
     
  14. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    But when you learn the operations from the same person who has manipulated the budget for so many years you reap what you sow!
     
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  15. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    I'm more impressed that he came in on budget as promised. He does deserve credit for that and it's huge. As far as who found the farmer, no idea, but kudos to who ever did. I also think Bill Cook deserves a large pat on the back for the constant flow of information to the home owners on the lake. The process appeared seamless.

    The challenges he faced weren't focused on what he did right, it was the myriad of things he did wrong or simply wasn't capable of doing right. There's no point in beating up on him over them, he was in a really difficult position as the new GM. When one isn't able to be straight forward about where the organization is, it becomes literally impossible to create buy-in from the membership.
     
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  16. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    Unlike many others I don't have a need to know every detail that goes on nor do I feel it is owed to me but therr had to be alot of money lost in the process especially if a new GM comes on board in the very near future who also has a spine good luck.
     
  17. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    FYI your point doesn't hold water. You are saying that everyone promoted from within will run a corporation the same as their predecessor. Simply untrue.
     
  18. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    Misinformation. Cook found the takers through agriculture connections and the site was a few miles down the road.
     
  19. FYI

    FYI Well-Known Member

    No. I'm not saying everyone.

    Without going into further detail all's I'll say is there were more qualified applicants for the GM's job than Mr. Cook.

    And yes, I know that because I know someone who was in the room during the interviews.
     
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  20. Sambo

    Sambo Active Member

    Well you got me there.
     

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