The age overlay in layman's terms...

Is this the same Fox News that is in court for promoting the big lie for trump? You know Tom, the guys laughing and snickering behind their backs at him and his cronies for their stupidity, yet touting the seriousness of the insane comments to keep their stock prices high and ward off assaults by even goofier news network wannabe's? By the way, asking for a friend.

 

Truth is truth no matter where it comes from. Refute the article. Do some research and you will find that the Regime, Democrats, California, and Progressives truly believe this is the answer to rejuvenating the inner cities.

 

I will do the research again just to satisfy all of you. This is a threat to all of single family home owners.

This is from USATODAY. Hardly a conservative outlet: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...-would-curb-single-family-housing/7097434002/

This is from National Review: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-and-dems-are-set-to-abolish-the-suburbs/

NYPOST: https://nypost.com/2021/05/17/bidens-infrastructure-plan-wages-war-on-the-suburban-dream/

FORBES: https://www.forbes.com/sites/richar...ng-or-abolishing-the-suburbs/?sh=2c2009141443

Washington Examiner: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-squeezing-suburbs-existence-zoning-laws

 

Stop already Tom, go spew your bullshit on other sites where the crap has some crazy followers who want to eat your crap sandwiches. Sun City will be just fine long after you and i are both dead. Is there no level to the fear mongering by the right wing crazies? Why bother asking? Just go celebrate the hatred with Green, Santos, Beobert and that whole cast of nut jobs from Arizona.

You know the answer to all of our problems already Tom...more freaking guns. See, problems solved.

 

Hogan TUP was approved.

From Joel Landis at Maricopa County Planning and Development: "As of this writing, TU2023003 has been approved by the Board of Adjustment by a vote of 3-0. Please see my attached letter to the applicant regarding the Board's decision. Please let me know if you have any questions."

State of Arizona attorney was at the hearing. Stated mother met the 55+ age overlay requirement and on the basis of child’s disability he must be accommodated to live here. Also claimed race discrimination, child is African American/black. (Never was this mentioned anywhere other than a photo in Cheryl Hogan!s ND profile, that she posted)

SCHOA was not at the hearing.

County department was shocked that there were no Sun City residents either.

State is now working with Maricopa County to correct the age overlay.

Last Friday, 2.17.23, I asked SCHOA to issue an immediate statement about the decision based on the State’s claims of discrimination, forthcoming county age overlay changes and potential ramifications to Sun City CC&Rs.

Nothing yet.

 

If I understand this correctly, SHOA has no control of the age situation within the condo associations. Most of these condo HOAs are quite small with 20 to 30 units. It is doubtful any of them have the financial resources to enforce an age violation if it occurs.
There also would be little they could do if investors were to buy a majority of the units in their association. Under age rentals could become common.

 

I find SCHOA's answer regarding condo's as ludicrous. They (SCHOA) are the reporting entity to both the state and federal age overlay (which they do yearly). Those percentages cover every rooftop in Sun City; both attached and detached housing (roughly 27,500 units). It is wholly illogical to claim to responsibility for only the single family homes when the 80/20 percentages are derived from all of the housing units.

I know it's more convenient for them to claim they have no authority over attached housing and realistically they all have their own CC&R's, but in this case (the age overlay) i think they are just trying to take the easy way out rather than the right way forward.

 

It seems to me that SCHOA is the over arching entity for the CC&R's for all of the Sun City residences. Then, if individual HOA's want to add more restrictions on that, they can. However those individual HOA's can't make any that conflict with SCHOA's CC&R's. I remember reading somewhere that, after a lawsuit, SCHOA was recognized by the Court as the official entity for Sun City residences. Looking for historical data here, Bill.

 

They are recognized by the County as having the obligation for reporting the yearly percentages for the age overlay. There's been a long and questionable practice of CC&R's enforcement. Even the Condo Owners Association (COA) has waffled a bit. When my friend Ben was president of it, he encouraged individual associations to add language to their CC&R's stating SCHOA could become involved if asked. Some did, some didn't, some still have that language. Home owners associations are covered under Title 33 and everything has to be voted on by law by their members. Their boards cannot take unilateral actions without a vote of the membership and they have to meet their quorum requirements.

Individual condo associations often have more stringent CC&R's than SCHOA, which is why SCHOA has tried to avoid getting in the middle of these disputes. That said, there's a big difference in the age overlay compared to whether a condo owner can paint their outside unit the color of their choosing. However, when we were rebuilding SCHOA in 2006, we actively recruited condo associations to join SCHOA and gave them a group rate discount if they paid for all units. We attracted several to join.

More than one SCHOA board member ran on the premise of trying to merge SCHOA and the COA. We used to be one and then a rift happened and they pulled off on their own. As usual it was enlarged egos causing the split. Since i left the organization as a board member the end of 2008, this has been frustrating to watch as SCHOA waffled over who and what they represent. The reality is SCHOA deals with 4000 plus complaints yearly without the condos so i can understand their reluctance to be involved, but in the case of the age overlay it is my humble opinion they should have a voice, because they/we all have a stake in preserving the 80/20% obligation under the law.

 

The whole SCHOA, HOA, COA thing is very confusing to me!

It seems we all kinda live under an HOA because we signed the purchase agreement with all those CC&R's when we bought our homes? Then we kinda doubled-down when we actually joined SCHOA?

It seems to me we're all living under some sort of Owner Association but it's sure not very clear or cut and dry on how all those associations affect things?

Seems like we're living under a sort of Title 33 but without the mandatory requirement of getting the entire community's vote on anything.

I guess the only reason we're not considered an HOA is because we're not technically under Title 33 but everything else sure feels like we are!