Perhaps that's because only a "select few" Directors were allowed to interview the potential candidates for GM? I've heard from someone who knows that there were candidates who were more qualified than Bill Cook! (No disrespect to Bill just telling what I've heard!)
Does anyone know how to reach Ms. McAdam? I would LOVE to see all of her supporters show up at the first BOD meeting in September in support of her. Would love to demand an apology from BOD also. But, if Karen is not interested in getting her seat back, perhaps a moot point.
Without going into a lot of detail, several people have been in touch with Karen. She has been on vacation and most of the advice was to try and enjoy her time away rather than worrying what the board did to her. I do know there are a lot of people interested in helping her, no matter what she decides when she makes that decision. As we get closer to the September meeting all of this will become a larger issue, not a smaller one as the board had hoped.
Not sure about how many applied or who was or wasn't more or less qualified. I did hear that Bill was favored by the current gm. Again, any of that is just rumors so take it for what it is worth. As far as the hiring process itself, you are right FYI, the initial screening process was by a select number of board members which is absolutely happy horseshit to be perfectly blunt. For some unknown reason the past couple of years new board members had been told they couldn't participate in certain duties they should have been in the room for. Did i mention what a pile of horseshit that is?
Well...for those who give a shit, that was just one more violation of proper parliamentary procedure. The chair or a few members of the board cannot make that decision on their own. The proper method is to establish a committee to determine who and why only certain members should be involved with the interview process. The committee then reports to the entire board their recommendations and then the entire board debates and votes on whether they agree and accept their recommendations or not. Bottom line... the entire board gets to make the final call and not just a few members of the board!
FYI, this is standard operating procedure for this GM, and has been for many years. There have been many board members who have cozied up in one fashion or another, and have curried favor in several respects. How do you think the retreads keep getting picked to have so many terms? It is painfully obvious they aren't better board members than others have been. Few, if any, of the retreads have any redeeming qualities which makes them the best choice to serve another several years on the board. Since the retreads stay close in their ranks, it makes it difficult for any other new members to get a good foot hold on any particular subject. It also makes it almost impossible to be an active board participant when these few select have their decisions made amongst their favored group, with the outcomes predisposed before another board member even gets to offer an opinion. These select few have emails, pages and texts sent to each other to the exclusion of those who may want to voice an opinion or take a different stance other than the one predicated by the "chosen". I feel quite confident the process of GM selection was done in the dark, behind closed doors, by select board members who were in constant touch with each other to assure the outcome they desired. it would also not be at all surprising who it was who orchestrated the outcome. As for Karen having a desired outcome or not, I feel everyone should show up to this meeting with their opinions intact and be willing to defend Karen in any way, shape or form they can. Wrong doing is just that, it shouldn't matter if the offended person wants a stake in it or not. This board has been operating free and loose for a long time. Having the members there to support a person, a view or this community with a show of support that includes wanting an accountability is not something these BOD are used to, and will do all they can to dodge the issues as well. As one member gets blown off, there is the next member in line to take up the cause. Being present at the meeting is important, not only for Karen, but to show the community it is not willing to tolerate this blatant abuse of power anymore. In taking a stance for Karen, or simply for Sun City, you are exercising the very spirit of what this community was built on and making it known you are all onto the shenanigans the BOD and GM are pulling. I do not know the new, pending GM. I have no feel for what direction he may or may not take. I am sure if he sees this community being together for an issue as strong as this, he may be more than willing to support other community initiatives. One can always hope.
I agree CM, we are at a threshold. I've had several people say to me "this is bigger than Karen, or even pickleball." That's not to minimize either, but the simple truth is they (the board and management) have been doing whatever they please without regard to the community at large. I know the argument, we had it shoved in our face too many times to not know it; "that's why they elected us." It was never intended as a license to do whatever, that's why there were initially safeguards built into community documents. And, that's why it is so freaking tragic they have been stripped from us. The balance of power was meant to be equally distributed between community and board. Along the way, the gm shifted that control from the two parties and centered it between the management and the board. Then the board co-opted it further by simply ignoring the community and rubber-stamping the gm. The general manager has done a lot of good things. As she prepares to leave, this is one of the things she has done that defines her legacy...at least in my humble opinion.
They didn't just ignore the community, they actually wrote bylaws that pretty much makes it impossible for the community to hold them to task! Seems like the only bylaws that they like are the ones that give them the advantage! If they were to actually follow their own bylaws Barbara Brehm and Karen McAdam would never have been dismissed in the underhanded manner they used. You're right Bill, this is much bigger than Karen and pickleball and if we can't straighten it out they will write more rules that limit our privilege's and things will only get worse. They're already forcing Clubs to move and merge. What's next?
Here's what's so intriguing about where we are FYI. I've been writing and complaining about what has happened to this community for the better part of 10 years now. Aside from the ARS efforts to bring about a lawsuit so we could sue ourselves, it's pretty much fallen on deaf ears. The simple reality is most people don't pay attention unless or until it's on their doorstep. I get it, i truly do. This latest round of actions they foisted on Karen was foolishness personified. There was no reason to do it, other than they could. They had fired Barbara without any blow back, so what's one more? Truth be told, Barbara came within a breath of filing suit for their actions but she moved to Florida and said why bother? Her background put her head and shoulders above the others who booted her and they should be thankful she chose to walk away. Karen is in exactly the same boat. She has a wealth of knowledge regarding how boards are supposed to be run. The day she stepped to the mic, before she was ever ran, i knew she understood how the game was supposed to be played. The RCSC has had the luxury of being casually comfortable with their actions and virtually no one holding either the board or management accountable. I suspect they (the board and management) will finally get it. Watch them scramble to placate the pickleball players, all in hopes it just goes away. We'll see what happens, but for now, they have to try and get their head around why they did what they did. Did i mention? It made no sense.
The sad truth is the system is rigged. Suppose for a minute the board actually DID follow proper procedure to terminate Barbara and Karen, like holding an investigation and a hearing with an option for the accused to appeal. They pack the committee with members of the board who have already made the predetermination that those directors had to go!!!!! It's a kangaroo court! There needs to be some sort of bylaw that establishes a committee, possibly comprised of both members and non-members of the board, so that the accused can get a fair trial! We can't allow the fox to guard the hen house any longer. We need some sort of citizen arbitration committee to assure the accused gets their due process!
As i have followed and commented on this thread, i found myself needing to go back and revisit the first meeting in June where the board introduced Option 2. It seems to me we tend to forget what gets said at those meetings and at this particular juncture, it would be important to state this. About three quarters of the way though Director Rooney questioned why people don't trust the board? Fair question and her further comments should be noted as well. First off, "it hurts my feelings," which i suspect was true and secondly, "we've got your backs." Another reasonable comment given we elected them. With that on the table, lets consider what happened within a matter of weeks following those statements. Director McAdam was fired by that same board that "has our backs," and one can only project how badly Karen's feelings were hurt. Damn. Now, lets ask again that burning question? "Why don't you trust us?"
Yeah, and the check is in the mail!! We all saw what happened to the only director who had the community's back!
Just doing some light reading on Title 10, in the Arizona Revised Statutes. (YAWN) I expressly went looking for rules for non-profit corporations. The header I was under not only lists the section one is trying to read, but also when the rule was adopted. Why did I find this interesting? Because I feel the RCSC is operating outside the confines of the laws it fights so hard to retain. There amendments to the various legal statutes that have been adopted over the years. The one that I found most interesting is the "10-11023 Bylaw Increasing Quorum Or Voting Requirement For Members" So what does this section say that has me intrigued? "The adoption or amendment of a bylaw that adds, changes or deletes a greater quorum or voting requirement for members shall meet the same quorum requirement and shall be adopted by the same vote and classes of members required to take action under the quorum and voting requirement then in effect or proposed to be adopted, whichever is greater." In other words, the board of directors, nor the GM, has the right to change the quorum requirement unless voted on by the members. Followed by Section B: B. A bylaw that fixes a greater quorum or voting requirement for members under subsection A shall not be adopted, amended or repealed by the board of directors. So, if a bylaw is introduced that changes the quorum for the members, it cannot be adopted by the Board of Directors. The quorum was changed previously as a board action which is not allowed under Title 10-11023, Arizona Revised Statutes, updated October 13, 2016. As far as I can read, the changing of the quorum is not legal according to state law, as it was not voted on my the members. As I have read and reread, it is the non-profit members who shall have the ability to change quorum, not the directors, which was the action taken all those years ago. The members have a right to expect vote on the quorum requirement to meet the needs of the membership, not the demands of the board of directors or the GM. It appears to this reader the RCSC owes the members a vote to fix the quorum to a reasonable number as soon as possible, preferably before the next general meeting.
As I read it, until I can get attorney to review, the quorum is at 100, it as never amended by the members. Section B clearly states the changing of the quorum shall NOT be done by the board of directors. The RCSC has a clear duty, per state law to meet and to adhere to the law as written. If one can use state law to get around Title 33, then the members of a Non Profit Corporation have the right to expect the laws of Title 10 be honored. This could clearly be an item to be brought to the Arizona Corporation Commission for breach of trust with the membership, as well as not abiding by the laws of the state. No more bylaw edits to strip the membership of its rights or due process.. I will seek additional information on Monday, but I have re-read these various sections over many times, and had I not thought we, the members, had a chance to take our community back, I would not have written the message. It would be an overwhelming boost to this community and its members to know that each one of them has a buy in, and has the ability to undo a number of wrongs foisted on the members.
If you get the chance, ask him about "10-3621, Termination, expulsion and suspension" where the board terminated director McAdam without giving her the proper due process of a notice, a hearing, or the opportunity to appeal!
Fascinating find Carole, but before anyone gets too excited the question i would think is; what did Title 10 say when they changed it in 2009? If memory serves me, it went initially to 3500 (approximately 10% and their argument was that was what they state document called for) and then was dropped to 1250 because they wanted to be magnanimous to the membership as they were incensed knowing they would never reach the 3500.
Clearly it will take some legal definition, but I am also clear the 10% number is was established by ARS 10-3304, which states " B. A corporation's power to act may be challenged by any of the following: 1. In a proceeding by members of a corporation that is not a condominium association as defined in § 33-1202 , or a planned community association as defined in § 33-1802 , having at least ten per cent or more of the voting power or by at least fifty members, unless a lesser percentage or number is provided in the articles of incorporation, against the corporation to enjoin the act. Yep, a bunch of mumbo jumbo, but this is where the 10% number is first used. But also it refers to Title 33 and the planned communities and condo association. In other words, as I see it, we do not operate under Title 33, we were clearly defined as NOT a planned community by recent legislation Next section : 1. A corporation's board of directors may propose one or more amendments to the articles of incorporation for submission to the members. 2. For the amendment to be adopted all of the following shall have occurred: (a) The board of directors shall recommend the amendment to the members unless the board of directors determines that because of conflict of interest or other special circumstances it should make no recommendation and communicates the basis for that determination to the members with the amendment. (b) The members entitled to vote on the amendment shall approve the amendment as provided by paragraph 5 of this subsection. (c) Each person whose approval is required by the articles of incorporation as authorized by § 10-11030 for an amendment to the articles of incorporation or bylaws shall approve the amendment in writing. 3. The board of directors may condition its submission of the proposed amendment on any basis. 4. The corporation shall notify each member entitled to vote of the proposed members' meeting in accordance with § 10-3705 . The notice of meeting shall also state that the purpose or one of the purposes of the meeting is to consider the proposed amendment and shall contain or be accompanied by a copy or summary of the amendment. 5. Unless chapters 24 through 40 of this title, 1 the articles of incorporation or the board of directors acting pursuant to paragraph 3 of this subsection requires a greater vote or voting by class, the amendment to be adopted shall be approved by two-thirds of the votes cast or a majority of the voting power, whichever is less. Defined; The board of directors can make recommendations to the members, but shall not make any recommendations to any amendment, as there were no special circumstances prevailing. It continues to say the members entitled to vote SHALL vote and approve the changes. It further states a meeting shall be held stating the purpose of the meeting and a summary provided of what is being changed. Every member of this corporation was entitled to vote, that is a part of the corporate documents. Changing of the bylaws without a meeting of the members may have been done over 12 years ago, yet, it now clearly states members of a nonprofit corporation should have had a notice of meeting and the members allowed to be informed of the meeting and the proposed changes to the quorum. The RCSC has gone to great lengths to be excluded from Title 33. Now it is time to make them abiding to the Arizona State rule of law of Title 10. The law governing Title 10-3304 was updated and approved on October 13, 2016. This could be translated into the rule of law used to change the quorum is no longer valid, having been modified by the legislature. The members wish to apply the rule of law now sitting on the books, as adopted, to restore the member benefits and the quorum to a level agreed to by the membership
An additional piece of news : Court Petition to Reduce Quorum If a meeting cannot be held due to a failure to achieve quorum, the board or any member of the association may file a petition in superior court to either lower the required quorum amount or to dispense with the quorum requirement entirely. (Corp. Code § 7515.) Since it has been over 12 years since the RCSC has been able to achieve a quorum, due the board changing the numbers, without a member vote, it may very well be time to file a petition with the Superior court.